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Initial post: Jul 16, 2012 3:10:35 AM PDT
Pathfinder says:
Several years ago I had fun on the different forums, and had some good conversations. Today, it seems the forums have been hijacked by anti-God and anti-Christ people, who believe in the God of nothingness. Or atheists who seem to be angry at themselves, and hate God at such a level, they attack anyone who mentions the bible or Jesus Christ.
The hatred of these people can be heard throughout this forum and it does not matter if you are talking about religion or politics. The majority of the responses come from these angry and mean groups. Because they hate themselves, they hate everyone else....including God himself.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 5:19:51 AM PDT
Eric Pyle says:
It looks as if you have two choices.

You can leave the forum, since you feel it's a waste of time.

Or you can put in a bit of effort and make it worthwhile. This would include making a serious effort at discussion, seeking out the interesting people, and refusing to get riled by the bad people.

What you shouldn't do is stay and then blame others for the fact that you're wasting time. This is your choice and you're responsible for it.

I honestly don't think that blanket statements like your OP are going to make this forum better, either for you or for anybody else.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 6:43:56 AM PDT
Well said!

Posted on Jul 16, 2012 7:07:58 AM PDT
TheFoe says:
As an atheist I don't "hate God", I simply don't believe he exists.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:10:17 AM PDT
you missed the point

too many disrupters deliberately sabotage threads to be nasty
not discuss or even debate a topic

the atheists should go to the atheism forum and not dirty up the religion/christian fora

ditto evolutionist believers

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:11:22 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:12:42 AM PDT
mark says:
How much simpler could it be?

Posted on Jul 16, 2012 7:13:37 AM PDT
And then there are all these trolls who start threads conducting amateur psychology upon entire groups. Trolls with a deep need to see people he doesn't like as not just wrong, but in denial and mentally damaged. Pathfinder, how was your relationship with your parents?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:17:06 AM PDT
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Mickey says:
It's been said arguments over politics and religion are almost always fruitless and I think that's true - almost never does anyone change their minds, and many of these threads simply turn into mudslinging contests. I don't think the irreligious bear all the blame: atheists, Christians, conservatives and liberals have all done their share of mudslinging. When I'm drawn into these debates I sometimes feel I'm lowering myself, but so are those who disagree with me. I'm trying to kick the habit, but I haven't succeeded - I guess I still feel I can "win" a debate here, but more and more I've concluded there are no winners here - only losers.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:28:20 AM PDT
Harry Marks says:
"ditto evolutionist believers"

Looks like you are going to have to start a "Creationist" forum. Then you can really be mad at all the people who see things differently from you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:31:39 AM PDT
Harry Marks says:
Mickey -

Well, I understand totally. But I have found that I get better at understanding my own point of view, here, and I do encounter lots of interesting insights and perspectives.

When you are sick of the mudslinging, search "William Blake" and read on that thread. It is not all uplifting, but it is 95% interesting. Maybe you will even bump it up again by adding to the discussion.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 8:31:40 AM PDT
Pathfinder says:
Several years ago I had fun on the different forums, and had some good conversations. Today, it seems the forums have been hijacked by anti-God and anti-Christ people, who believe in the God of nothingness. Or atheists who seem to be angry at themselves, and hate God at such a level, they attack anyone who mentions the bible or Jesus Christ.
The hatred of these people can be heard throughout this forum and it does not matter if you are talking about religion or politics. The majority of the responses come from these angry and mean groups. Because they hate themselves, they hate everyone else....including God himself.

And yet, here you are.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 9:22:54 AM PDT
TheFoe says:
Why is it "krapp"? Show me concrete proof that God exists, and I'll bow down to your superior knowledge. Everybody, whether they believe in God or not, is entitled to an opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 9:55:39 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 10:39:42 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 24, 2013 3:36:58 PM PDT
Pathfinder, you write: "...it seems the forums have been hijacked by anti-God and anti-Christ people..."

I feel the need to point out that these forums belong to every Amazon customer - not just theists, and not just atheists - and so to say they've been "hijacked" by one group or the other is just... well, it's silly.

If you are spending your time here getting all riled up because there are people who believe differently about stuff than you, then you probably are wasting your time here.

I am a theist, and a type of a Christian (not your type, probably) and I have very much enjoyed my interactions with people of different beliefs and viewpoints. I've learned a lot here - and mostly from people who don't hold the exact same beliefs as me.

This is a great place to learn and expand your outlook, if one is willing to do that.

(Edited for spelling.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 10:47:46 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Hear, hear, Karen.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 2:22:04 PM PDT
polite people would post their antiopinions in their own forum
and let others discuss what they do believe without the clutter

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 4:24:51 PM PDT
Eric Pyle says:
Harry,

Maybe we can rekindle some of the old pleasure of that thread: I've started a "Religious Art for Non-Believers" discussion that might cover similar ground, but with a wider appeal than just Blake.

Why you, in particular, would be helpful there: I've heard tell that Kierkegaard sees theology from an aesthetic perspective. I don't understand this at all, but it sounds relevant.

Your own theology is not supernatural (therefore, perhaps, making it accessible for non-believers) and makes empathy crucial. I consider the imagination involved in art to be similar to the imagination involved in personal empathy. So your view stakes out a different position from the regular theists/antitheists perspective, that would help stretch us.

I'll be mostly out of the house the next two days, but I'm looking forward to getting back to this.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 5:43:06 PM PDT
Then what are you doing by posting your silly antiopinions in the science or evolution forums?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 6:06:10 PM PDT
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Jeff Marzano says:
pathfinder says:

[Because they hate themselves, they hate everyone else....including God himself.]

Believers shouldn't get too involved in discussions with atheists about the existence of God, the authenticity and reliability of the scriptures, or similar arguments. At best this is a waste of time and energy. But it can actually cause someone to become physically ill, even just talking on the internet.

I agree with you that the mind of an atheist can in some cases be filled with chaos and negative energy. That type of energy always seeks to infect others. It feeds on the negative energy it creates in the minds of others. They try to convince themselves of something at the conscious level which the subconscious and super conscious knows to be untrue.

Not that atheists don't have anything useful to say about science or many other subjects. They are often good scientists and other things. But they are in my opinion very bad philosophers.

I tend to agree with you that a person's belief or lack of belief in God inevitably influences their views about other things. Atheism is skepticism taken to an ultimate and potentially dangerous extreme. For some people skepticism becomes a disease of the mind. Atheism is the most cancerous form of this disease.

There's a big difference between saying that something is untrue and saying it cannot be proven scientifically. Many famous and well respected scientists today have become atheists because their minds have become restricted by the bounds of science as it is understood today. Stephen Hawking thinks that his mathematical formulas have allowed him to know more than God knows. This is a very serious thing Hawking is doing using his fame and notoriety as a scientist to encourage people not to believe in God.

My advice to you is don't engage in those type of inane, pointless, and ultimately useless debates with atheists. Eventually they will just leave you alone.

Saying that 'God does not exist' is without question the stupidest thing that any human being has ever said since the beginning of time. Keep this in mind and remember that those people are stupid. Just because they say something on the internet and refer to their atheist heroes doesn't mean what they say is worth anything, at least as far as religion is concerned.

Atheism and religious fundamentalism are the two extreme points of view in discussions about religions. Both are superficial, myopic views of life and are equally useless.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:47:05 PM PDT
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S. Friedman says:
Karen,
"and mostly from people who don't hold the exact same beliefs as me."

You serious? I can't imagine there's ANYONE here who has the exact same beliefs as you.
;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 8:06:01 PM PDT
D. Thomas says:
Yep.

Remember, the court found that "creation science" (goddidit) is not science at all, but religion. So discussion of it belongs in the Religion forum.

This isn't an evangelical Christian theocracy yet, Fyathorseyrio. You don't get to decide where people are allowed to post.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 8:11:27 PM PDT
D. Thomas says:
JM wrote: "My advice to you is don't engage in those type of inane, pointless, and ultimately useless debates with atheists."

You won't be missed, Jeff. All you have to offer is conspiracy theory rubbish.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 9:02:35 PM PDT
Astrocat says:
Pathfinder, I'm wondering what you mean when you say that some people "believe in the God of nothingness." Could you define that term, as you understand it?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 9:05:41 PM PDT
Ohmygawd. I am cracking up here, Sid. Literally laughing out loud. I wondered if anyone would pick up on that... should have known it would be you... :)

Thank you.
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