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Like It Or Not -- The NRA Is The Face Of American Christianity


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Initial post: Dec 22, 2012 1:23:17 PM PST
Unless, of course, we vehemently denounce the NRA and their ludicrous policies.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:14:09 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
Your post demonstrates that you know nothing about the National Rifle Association. The NRA includes members of all religions as well as atheists.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:19:18 PM PST
But they are more closely associated with Southern Bible Belt Rednecks.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:26:17 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
Why do you insist on using hate speech to describe Christians from a particular section of the country, Parallel?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:27:18 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 22, 2012 5:27:55 PM PST
Because they are deadly with their weapons stockpiles and low IQs.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:27:24 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
We saw the true face of the NRA on Friday. And it wasn't pretty.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:28:38 PM PST
Blood thirsty sociopaths is more like it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:33:44 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
Why do you continue to excuse the real murderer in this case and demonize law abiding citizens as "blood thirsty sociopaths," Parallel?

Don't you want our schools to be safer?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:37:37 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
I was into understatement there. But you are right.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 5:39:56 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
Did you watch Wayne LaPierre giving the official NRA response to the tragedy. Did you actually listen to him? Do you really want the entire country turned into an armed camp with even more guns circulating out there? Do you think everyone with some kind of mental illness should be on a national registry? Is that how you see the future of this nation?

Posted on Dec 22, 2012 6:19:33 PM PST
jpl says:
Like It Or Not -- The NRA Is The Face Of American Christianity

Unlike a lot of non-theists, I think gun laws are devoid of theism or non-theism. I'll use myself as an example. I am a non-theist, but I'm not against people being able to protect themeslves with guns. I think most non-theists would point me out as a believer if they didn't know I was a non-theist.

Both sides of the political divide make generalities like this. Few conclude for themselves about any number of matters. I do it myself sometimes. It's hard to really listen. You have to suspend your own thoughts when listening. Then, only after careful consideration, present your side.

My comments seem off the subject, but if you think about it, they aren't. A generalization has been made. Do YOU toe the line? Or do you think for yourself?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 6:34:51 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
I didn't see the speech, S. Kessler. I have read editorials by LaPierre, however.

Did he say he wanted the "entire country turned into an armed camp with even more guns circulating out there?" It was my understanding that he advocated placing police officers in schools which Newtown had years ago under a COPS INTO SCHOOLS program. Had that program been maintained, the Sandy Hook shooter probably wouldn't have gotten past the school door.

I've seen SRO work here in Montana and it puts police officers in the schools. Not only does that improve school security, but it deters gang activity and drug activity. It also allows students to see police officers in a more constructive, personal setting.

It may not be politically correct, but it's an effective program and it makes the schools a lot safer.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 6:43:48 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
I suggest googling his speech and actually watching it. Even the New York post called him a nutcase. What he was advocating in his speech would have the effect of turning this country into an armed camp. That is the subtext. He didn't have to actually use those words to get his meaning across.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 7:25:03 PM PST
No, they are most closely associated with the armemments industry.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 7:30:02 PM PST
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that Columbine had an armed guard in attendance.

The latest killer was prepared for confrontation, dressed as he was in a kevlar bodysuit, and with the element of surprise, I think he would have had the drop on any security.

Posted on Dec 22, 2012 7:35:58 PM PST
(®_0) says:
If only Jesus had had a gun...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 8:05:00 PM PST
Astrocat says:
S., you have certainly got that one right! The only good thing about that pathetic speech is the fact that nearly everyone they interviewed afterward were not in the least fooled, and were, instead, absolutely disgusted by the whole sorry farce.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 8:08:19 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
That is correct, Buck.

Posted on Dec 22, 2012 8:12:39 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 22, 2012 8:14:42 PM PST
"I'm not saying that the battle is won
But on Saturday night all those kids in the sun
Wrested technology's sword from the hand of the war lords
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning"

The tide is turning
Roger Waters

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 8:23:35 PM PST
Yeah, he could have beaten it into a plowshare.

Posted on Dec 22, 2012 8:32:35 PM PST
Astrocat says:
When a country is in harmony with the Tao,
the factories make trucks and tractors.
When a country goes counter to the Tao,
warheads are stockpiled outside the cities.

There is no greater illusion than fear,
no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy.

Whoever can see through all fear
will always be safe.

Tao te Ching #46

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 10:46:18 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
How would placing police officers in schools "have the effect of turning this country into an armed camp," S. Kessler?

It works and it would have saved a lot of lives at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The NEW YORK TIMES isn't objective in its reportage about the NRA. The "nutcase" in this matter is the murderer, not Wayne LaPierre.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 10:52:22 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
Columbine had two deputies from the Arapaho Country Sheriff's Department assigned to it as School Relations Officers (SRO's). One of the deputies engaged the two shooters in the parking lot giving students and school personnel time to lock down, or it would have a lot bloodier than it was.

Police in those days were trained to contain the incident and open communications with what they presumed were hostage takers. That's what the police did. Nobody realized that the shooters were mad dogging, that is killing everybody they could or that they planned to kill themselves at the end of their spree. They weren't there to negotiate.

Police now handle "active shooters" by moving in quickly and neutralizing them as soon as possible. For law enforcement, that's part of the legacy of Columbine.

Posted on Dec 22, 2012 10:55:14 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 22, 2012 11:01:39 PM PST
Mr. Lane, I gather that you are not against allowing highly troubled people from accessing high powered weapons.

That is, of course a given.

The NRA could have taken the lead in this question, promised to make every attempt to contribute to a solution and been a big part in managing that solution, as happened here in Australia.

Instead Wayne LaPierre chose to slip into justification mode, and that just seems so outlandish that he has ended up doing neither himself or his constituents any service.

I feel that a huge opportunity has been missed for the sake of the bottom line of the few.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 11:03:35 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
A huge opportunity was missed all right, Buck Buckaw. The school which was attacked in Connecticut once had a police officer in it under a program called COPS INTO SCHOOLS. Funding for that dried up a couple of years ago and the program was dropped.

Had the mad-dog killer who attacked that school been met by a police officer, the incident would probably have ended at the door and all of those innocent, unarmed children and their teachers would be home getting ready to celebrate Christmas with their families. Instead, they're dead.

Proclaiming their school to be a "gun free zone" didn't save them. Instead, it provided a false sense of security and transformed the children and school personnel into sitting ducks.

I'm a Life Member of the National Rifle Association and a retired Chief of Police. A huge opportunity is being missed. Instead of concentrating on making our schools safer, the NRA's critics are demonizing it and its members.

That's their priority, not saving the lives of school children.
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