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Were there men on planet earth before Adam and Eve?


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Initial post: Nov 16, 2012 2:00:43 PM PST
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Text: Read Jeremiah 4:23-26; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:12-19

Posted on Nov 16, 2012 2:10:56 PM PST
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Yes, because the time in which Adam and Eve are supposed to have lived is very recent -- much less than 100,000 years ago. The human species has existed for around that length of time, or perhaps even double that! (I don't actually believe that Adam and Eve ever existed, by the way).

A lot of Christians do not take the tale of Adam and Eve literally; many people see the story as being merely symbolic. If that is the case, then what does this mean for the rather strange (to put it in mild terms) doctrine that is original sin?!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:13:25 PM PST
Astrocat says:
The human species we call Homo Sapiens has been around for from 100,000 to 200,000 years, correct, but humanoids have been around for at least 3 million years, and probably much longer. So, obviously, there were human beings (probably not all "men", by the way), before the supposedly historical "Adam and Eve".

Now, that said, if Adam and Eve are mythological stand-ins for the first humanoids, going back those millions of years, we might have something else to talk about.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:17:52 PM PST
JOHN DOE says:
Thanks Nancy for clearing that up about Eve - I was beginning to wonder if she was a man - that would have really thrown a monkey wrench into everything.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:50:48 PM PST
Astrocat says:
You're more than welcome, Facts. Always glad to be of service.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 3:40:09 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 5:02:32 PM PST
Lufer says:
Adam and Eve are part of a myth invented to fill a gap in knowledge that science has since answered. This is the simplest and most honest way to address this question.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 9:32:23 PM PST
Re OP: The Adam and Eve tale is fiction. It is true (of necessity) that there were one male and one female whose descendants we all are -- but they never saw each other, having lived tens of thousands of years apart [1].

1. Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution, p. 56.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 4:03:34 PM PST
JOHN DOE says:
benny - prove it - the bible is and always has been a work of fiction written by self proclaimed holy men for their own benefit and enrichment - just the truth...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 4:13:54 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Benny, why do you believe what you're saying? I'm not being snarky, I'm really curious as to why people accept, seemingly without question, everything they read in the texts of the Bible.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 4:35:00 PM PST
Re Davison, above: Especially since so much of it is obviously wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 7:25:04 PM PST
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'probabilist says:
This Fleeting World: A Short History of Humanity
by David Christian
(Berkshire, 2007)

Posted on Nov 17, 2012 10:19:07 PM PST
Maybe Adam and Eve were the first whites? And the coloureds were descended from the lower peoples? I'm sure a LOT of Christians would love that theory.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 10:22:46 PM PST
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'probabilist says:
®_0 wrote:

> Maybe Adam and Eve were the first whites?

Doubtful, I think. Best just to see it as a story. The evidence for deep time is solid.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 10:24:31 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Thank God for Evolution: How the Marriage of Science and Religion Will Transform Your Life and Our World
by Michael Dowd
(Viking, 2008)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 9:01:40 AM PST
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Well, that book is absolutely infested with contradictions. That is a fact; there's no getting around it. Even if you believe in God and think the Bible to be the inspired word of such a being, it should be quite clear that the contents of said book may very well have been twisted to suit the people who wrote it.

Of course this begs the question: why would God allow this to happen? Surely, his (its) message and will should be clear and without contradiction, correct?

Two conclusions may be drawn from this: the first is that God does exist but isn't so great as many people would like to believe. Either he allowed people to "mess up" his sacred word, or perhaps the contents are exactly how he wants them to be, which would point to a lazy or rather unintelligent God. At least, it would imply a God whose intellect is nowhere near ultimate. There's another possibility, of course: maybe God WANTED to confuse people by including errors! But why?

The second conclusion is that God simply does not exist, meaning that the Bible would have to have been written by humans -- who (as we all know too well) are extremely fallible. In either case it doesn't look good for your God!

The Bible's contradictions are quite clearly presented in the following pages for which I have provided links below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/I3d%20-%20HOJ%20%5B234-258%5D.html

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 12:14:27 PM PST
Re Bogus Pomp, above: See also:
McKinsey, Biblical Errancy: A Reference Guide. Lists approximately 7,000 discrepancies in the biblical texts.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 1:26:32 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 2:12:06 PM PST
nonsense
illogical too

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 2:29:54 PM PST
The Adam & Eve myth is one of many creation myths which humans have composed throughout history.

There is no more reason to believe the story has any basis in fact than there is to believe that Thor really is responsible for lightning.

Posted on Nov 18, 2012 3:03:14 PM PST
jpl says:
Were there men on planet earth before Adam and Eve?

No, but there were women.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 3:09:27 PM PST
Michael,

But every good story book begins "once upon a time" : there has to be a beginning a marking of where you are starting. Popular fiction set the stage, a beginning, as do most technical books. It is perfectly logical to assert that Adam and Eve are the beginning of the story, that we are starting from when we had say middle easterners; the people around our community. The only fact, however, is that they are the beginning of the story one can only conjecture whether that is also the beginning of the universe, time, God, or most anything else. Most of us tell our own stories from about 5 years old, from our teens, or from important event in our lives like marriage; they are the beginning of our time, our universe, and our understanding of our purpose.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2012 10:14:51 PM PST
Re Reed N D Dark, above: " It is perfectly logical to assert that Adam and Eve are the beginning of the story," It would be, if these first progenitors of H. Sapiens lived at the same time. But they didn't [1].

1. Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution, p. 56.
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