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Initial post: Jan 27, 2013 3:17:06 PM PST
Bubba says:
The "What ever happened to Prop 8" discussion is almost filled up. I added DOMA to this topic.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 3:21:12 PM PST
Thanks for starting this, Bubba.

I expect this discussion to heat up even further as the Supreme Court argument and decision on these topics draws nearer.

Posted on Jan 27, 2013 3:22:45 PM PST
Astrocat says:
I think there are many of us watching very closely to see what will happen. President Obama has moved to the side of human rights for all, and, speaking from the bully pulpit, can do a lot to persuade others to at least look at that side of things with clearer vision and less emotional angst than they have in the past.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 3:31:16 PM PST
Bubba says:
It is going to be a long spring waiting for the decision.

I have been reading some articles that indicate that some Republican politicians are privately hoping to get same sex marriage legalized; not that they are for it, but they see the handwriting on the wall and want to get on with other things that they feel are more important.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 6:17:54 PM PST
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tokolosi says:
"Do you really think Obama is the man to lessen angst and persuade unity?"

For anyone not a hardened bigot, absolutely.

EDIT:That a *sitting president* (regardless of the individual) would come out openly in support of SSM and its associated civil rights will (arguably) be one of, if even the most significant boost to the movement in years, if not ever.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 7:16:10 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Obama is the man who is offering help and encouragement for the people of this country to learn to practice tolerance and compassion. He can't do it for us, but he can stand as an example of someone who has changed his own mind and moved to promote right human relations. The best presidents have done that - Lincoln, Roosevelt (FDR), Kennedy. They didn't do it for us, but they encouraged us to accomplish it for ourselves.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 7:16:49 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Tokolosi, you've got that right! And more and more power to all of us to stand with him and work to accomplish these tasks.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 7:22:14 PM PST
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Irish Lace says:
"Do you really think Obama is the man to lessen angst and persuade unity? "

On this topic? Yes. It's called "leadership."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 8:29:46 PM PST
EDIT:That a *sitting president* (regardless of the individual) would come out openly in support of SSM and its associated civil rights will (arguably) be one of, if even the most significant boost to the movement in years, if not ever.

And during an Inaugural speech, no less!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2013 8:44:20 PM PST
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Posted on Jan 28, 2013 1:00:02 AM PST
Bubba says:
Things seem to be changing for the better in Virginia, a gay judge was confirmed to the Richmond's General District Court.

http://www.care2.com/causes/a-first-for-the-south-an-openly-gay-disctrict-court-judge.html

"Tracy Thorne-Begland was appointed to Richmond's General District Court for a six-year term on Jan. 15, which made him the first openly gay man to be confirmed for a district court judgeship in the South."
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"Begland was up for consideration in May 2012, but 26 House Republicans walked out, and ultimately voted 33-31 in his favor with 10 abstentions."

"The debate surrounding Begland's appointment hearing in May largely centered around his sexual orientation. In particular, it came to light that Begland referred to his relationship with his partner as a "marriage,"-a move viewed by some members of the House as an affront to the Virginia constitutional amendment that bans gay marriage. Some legislators expressed concern over a 1992 incident, during which Begland criticized the Navy's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy on Nightline, for which he was honorably discharged.""

"This second time around, Begland's hearing for the position was met with a less confrontational legislature."

Posted on Jan 28, 2013 7:58:16 AM PST
Bubba says:
Maryland economy boost from marriage equality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/maryland-same-sex-marriage-vendors_n_2565438.html

"A year ago, an analysis by the University of California Los Angeles' Williams Institute suggested that legalizing same-sex marriage would provide a boost to Maryland's economy.

Over three years, the institute predicted, weddings by resident Maryland couples alone will generate between $40 million and $64 million for the state economy, and $2.5 million to $4 million in new sales and lodging tax revenues. Those figures didn't factor in any out-of-state couples that might travel to Maryland to get hitched, the institute noted."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 10:45:15 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 10:56:21 AM PST
Astrocat says:
"Anita", you mean he refuses to uphold your definition of the constitution, don't you? Just like those who interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that everyone is entitled to carry an automatic weapon with the ability to shoot dozens of people at a single bound - oh, wrong metaphor..... but you get it.....

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 11:01:59 AM PST
Nancy:
In fact, no one other than military/police is allowed to carry an automatic weapon ("machine gun").

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 12:03:39 PM PST
Mens Sana says:
AB: Do you really think Obama is the man to lessen angst and persuade unity?

M_S: For Democrats and moderates, yes. For Tea Partiers and racists, not at all, but they are interested only in autocratic unity.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 12:10:26 PM PST
Mens Sana says:
A judge would be fully cognizant of the fact that his gay relationship, no matter how named, is not legally recognized in Virginia. Yet the judge has not lost his 1st Amendment rights when he speaks of his "marriage" and it is a legal marriage in other states.

As usual, it is just your fuzzy thinking that floats your ship.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 12:25:59 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Well, "Anita", where there's a bad law a bit of civil disobedience is a good thing.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 12:35:27 PM PST
Gneiss Guy says:
Conserv,
Properly permitted collectors may own fully automatic weapons, although the permits are highly restricted.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2013 1:50:52 PM PST
Mens Sana says:
AB,
I apologize. It was I who read too fast, with a lack of comprehension.

I missed the fact that you were more interested in whether the judge was "shacking up", and that, somehow, his referral to his "marriage" (not legal in VA) constituted a situation so prejudicial that any decision he made in court regarding ssm would automatically be considered subversion of his state constitution.
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