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Initial post: Jul 7, 2011 1:44:48 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2011 1:54:19 PM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
I've started a 'Bring back Nietzsche's Girlfriend!' Thread on the new forum. Post there if you believe NG was unfairly banned.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2011 1:57:55 PM PDT
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Posted on Jul 7, 2011 2:38:09 PM PDT
I would like a way to directly access forums that aren't the most popular. If I want to check out psychology, I have to know a specific discussion title, which I won't know because I can't get to the psychology forum.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2011 2:44:49 PM PDT
dischism says:
Mark

You can use the Most Popular Tags page by clicking the tag and you'll (with luck) find some discussions in a box scrolling down on the LHS.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/tagging/cloud/ref=tag_cld_cl_icld_sm?ie=UTF8&length=1000

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2011 3:24:41 PM PDT
There should be a link at the top of every forum to a complete list of all forums.

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 5:38:04 AM PDT
Mark Hubbell says:
I believe that suggestions are supposed to be made on the new feedback forum, not on this thread...

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 1:32:54 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
Fascinating that A-zon doesn't have a direct link to their own forum -- ya gotta copy and paste the thing. What's the world comin' to?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 5:39:36 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Astrin, I put I wanted NG back in the similar forum in the Christianity section.

The first vote was against it, but the second was for it.

I will give you another yes vote.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 5:47:55 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Okay Mark I will go there.

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 8:23:55 PM PDT
I am tired of one particular person following me around and insulting my posts. She has nothing to offer; just insults.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:03:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Feb 25, 2015 6:01:47 AM PST
I have come to realize what precious real estate this post holds. This thread has been up at the top a really, really long time. There were two other threads that Amazon started - "How long can you go on?" and some other one for which I no longer remember the title. After I realized they were going to be staying up at the top of the page for awhile I started stockpiling my favorite quotes on there. This Amazon-starter has lasted up at the top even longer than the other ones did - and I am now going to stockpile one of my favorite posts by one of my favorite posters:

From the Echo Chambers thread -
In reply to your post on Feb 4, 2015 5:37:29 AM PST
Aardwizz says:
Karin' :

Thanks for your kind comments.

When people have made up their mind about something, be it religion, vaccination, politics, or best football team, they enter the echo chamber. At that point, no amount of balanced opinion -- or unbalanced ones for that matter -- is going to change their minds. Oh, they may believe themselves to be "open" to competing facts and think that they are willing to change their minds if PROVEN wrong. But's it mostly self-delusion.

In entering the echo chamber, they automatically raise the level of proof needed to convince themselves. The scales have to not merely balance, or even overbalance, but must overwhelm the inertia of the beam and the 'stic-tion' of the pivot. And it takes a great deal of pounding on the walls of the chamber just to get them to even HEAR opposing arguments. For example, note how Crowdog's charges of fraud are being dismissed as 'falsehoods' without any offering of proof. Even the misreading of your OP by some shows how closed -- no, THREATENED -- people in their echo chamber become.

Sure, one cannot sit on the fence forever, but I try to delay the inevitable, and sometimes even find that the inevitable is actually pretty evitable (?!?). A provisional decision, dropped the instant anything seems to disagree with the laundry list of all the assumptions made when deciding, allows me to drop a notion faster than the drop of a hat.

I may come across as a 'flip-flopper', but, hey, I'm not running for office. I'm just trying to understand stuff. And I can't do that if all I hear is my own voice confirming what I already know. It's what you don't know that bites you in the... end.

---

Popellina, I see that you've changed your handle. Does this mean that you are finally have become a GOOF -- Gotten Out Of the Forum ? If so, congratulations!!!!! And I'm going to join you. I only stopped by because of your blog, and it seems that most of the other FUN people have moved on. No one seems willing to have a thread filled with (bad | good) food puns, haiku, and a heaping dose of not taking ourselves seriously.

So I think I'll be bowing out too. There don't seem to be any new ideas here any more.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:12:12 PM PDT
Actually, she is a voodoo priestess. She makes strawpeople dolls and names them after us and then sticks pins in them hoping to cause us pain.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:53:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2011 9:54:19 PM PDT
I am getting quite tired of her following me around. I am now reporting her when she attacks me. Every time a great spiritual or religious discussion begins, she inserts herself in it and the discussion ends because who wants to be attacked? And, she attacks all--equal opportunity attacker.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 2:42:17 AM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Hey, that sounds like Nico.

Nico was rasied RC, but now is an atheist.

I found out her RC background because she started defending another RC who even many of the other RCs turned against.

Suddenly it was Nico's beloved church.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kamabwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 5:43:49 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
I know her!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 5:44:56 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
Actually, I know a couple of _hims_ too!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 8:06:54 AM PDT
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I wonder if I might make a few suggestions for conversing with others about religion on a discussion board?

The most important thing to know, I think, is that if you ever encounter me on a discussion forum I am always, always right. Even when I'm wrong. And if you disagree with me about this refer back to that first bit wherein it's been established that I am always right..

Once we have established that basic and most fundamental of all facts, we can move on to other stuff:

- Might I suggest that you never, ever, ever presume to know what other people think, feel, and believe just because they identify themselves as atheist, theist, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, pagan, or as a member of any other ideology.

- Generalizations, stereotypes, and lumping whole groups of people together as one "type" are not helpful when trying to understand someone else's perspective.

- Don't tell other people what they think. Let them tell you.

- Although pomposity cracks me up, not everyone shares the same reaction as me to puffed-up know-it-allness. Humility is a beautiful thing. Let's be willing to laugh at our own nonsense before we laugh at someone else's.

- Remember that we're all human - we all have our own flaws and foibles - none of us is perfect here. Might I suggest that we correct our own flaws before we start trying to correct someone else's?

- Listen

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 9:08:44 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 9:50:44 AM PDT
Banner says:
I much prefer a certain kind of ahole over another.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 11:43:12 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 11:48:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Feb 25, 2015 6:05:01 AM PST
(continued from my last post)

When Christians are talking with atheists -

- Do not assume all atheists think, feel, and believe exactly alike - the only thing, really, that all atheists have in common is the belief that there is no existence of god/gods (got the wording from Irish Lace).

- Do not assume atheists are unfamiliar with religious texts. Some of them are very familiar with religious texts, and, in fact, that is the reason some of them want nothing to do with religion.

- Think about using quotes from the Bible sparingly. Remember that not everyone believes the Bible in the same way that you do, and quoting from it to prove that you're right probably isn't going to have the effect you're looking for.

- Do not assume that atheists have no sense of ethics, no humanity, or no "moral code" simply because they do not believe in a god. Belief in a god is not necessary to know right from wrong, or to be a kind and compassionate person.

- Do not end disagreements with atheists by condescendingly telling them that you will "pray" for them.

When atheists are talking to theists -

- Do not assume that all theists think, believe, and feel exactly the same about everything.

- Do not assume all theists have the same definition for "God".

- Do not assume every theist is a Christian. There are, among others, theists who are Muslim, Jewish, pagan, and non-religious. (Contrariwise, not every religious person is theistic - some religions, such as Buddhism and Universalist-Unitarian, do not include a belief in a god.)

- Do not assume all theists are superstitious scaredy cats, hoping to God there is an after-life. For some theists a belief in God follows a logical thought process, and doesn't necessarily lead to belief in an after-life.

- Don't assume that when you're talking with a Christian, you're talking to someone lacking in logic, intelligence, or education. This kind of prejudice tends to lead to a really speedy end of civil discourse.

- Try to quote only sparingly from The God Delusion and God is Not Great, and avoid the over-use of Latin and terms like "strawman" and "Nervana fallacy". (Writing over-much in Latin and over-using or mis-using terms like "strawman" does not so much make you look intelligent as kind of silly.) Just as some Christians are sometimes prone to over-quote from the Bible, some atheists are sometimes prone to over-quote Hitchens and Dawkins. I think we all value a nicely-stated original thought much more than a canned response, don't you?

Posted on Jul 9, 2011 4:59:46 PM PDT
There should be a LARGE link on the Amazon homepage that would lead directly to a directory of ALL of the forum categories. I realize that Amazon's primary business is selling stuff, but why even have forums at all if they're deliberately made hard to get to?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 7:01:37 PM PDT
Walter R. Johnson said:
>>"There should be a LARGE link on the Amazon homepage that would lead directly to a directory of ALL of the forum categories. I realize that Amazon's primary business is selling stuff, but why even have forums at all if they're deliberately made hard to get to?"

J.H.--That would be great. If they'd add that link to the directory instead of the 'Most Active' it might resuscitate unused threads. But I think they're attempting to cultivate some real time chat with the current 'Active' directories. It must give their employees something entertaining to view. :^)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2011 10:35:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 9, 2011 10:37:02 PM PDT
TO: Jonathan Hansen

RE: "That would be great...."

I have no idea as to what they're trying to do. No, wait - maybe they're getting ready to eliminate the customer general discussion forums entirely since they've deliberately made them so cumbersome to access. Of course, they would leave the product review forums intact since that helps them in marketing their various products.
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