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Posted on Jan 22, 2012 5:32:50 PM PST
What is asserted
without proof can be dismissed
without any proof. -[Christopher Hitchens]

Posted on Jan 23, 2012 10:00:17 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 23, 2012 10:02:41 AM PST
What's an "Atheist"?
Defined: A `disbelief" in
god or deities -[Encarta]

The term "Disbelief"
implies conviction, as though
some doctrine exists.

Many atheists
define it as "absence" of
belief, I agree...

When other Greek words
add the prefix of "A" it
simply means "without"

.Amoral, "without"
..Asexual, is "without"
...Apolitical...............-[...you get the point]

If Theist equals
"belief in god", Atheist
is "without" belief.

So, what's Agnostic?
Defined: god's nature's unknown
or "unknowable".

Some find agnostic
as a failure to commit.
A "cop-out" of sorts.

What are agnostics?
Aren't they just atheists
without any Balls? :o) -(S. Colbert)

Darrow's agnostic,
His quote's not just to theists,
But ALL who are "SURE"

"I don't pretend to
know what many ignorant
men are so sure of." -(C. Darrow)

He feels it's as wrong
to be SURE there's nothing else,
as to KNOW what's there.

How can agnostics
be "sure" God's "unknowable"?
That too, takes blind faith.

Is taking that leap
of conviction that something's
"unknowable" wrong?

It is just as wrong
as certainty about God
without evidence.

Why would one stifle
their imagination with
either certainty?

Imagination
Allows us to conceive of
nearly anything

===>===>===>===>===

If you haven't guessed
I like Hypotheticals
So, please humor me...

For argument's sake...
Let's say a new energy
is found and measured

By cross dissecting
spatiomaterial
through future methods

akin to advanced
Hadron collider tests at
the "sub" atomic.

This "ghost" energy,
through measurements and testing
correlates to life

an energy that
is not benign but effects
life force at its core

Science itself "MAY"
uncover elements of
the spiritual.

All's speculative
when Quantum theory's rife with
misunderstood gaps

If we can even
entertain these ideas through
imagination

Then ultimately
we CAN'T be certain that it's
"never" knowable.

Is it "knowable"?
and just "not YET" known to man.
That's not "Agnostic".

I guess it depends,
on what the current theory
one is subscribed to.

Man, subscribed to Gods,
committed to one doctrine,
is surely "theist"

Man "without" belief
that theorizes absent Gods
is an "Atheist"

Man subscribed to Gods
but unsure of their nature
is an "Agnostic"

So, what's it called if...
One denies god exists, but's...
Open to research..?

Posted on Jan 24, 2012 5:59:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 24, 2012 6:10:18 AM PST
If god wasn't real...
we would have random weather
not the "gift" of rain...

rather than god's wrath,
natural disasters would be
completely random.

your wife can't conceive?
she is not being punished
it's her biology...

Tebow's touchdowns aren't
divine intervention, but
...athleticism

the horrible crash
you just walk away from is
...not a miracle

the horrible crash
that you survive and recover
....is not a lesson

yes, a lesson learned
but not inspired by god
just experience...

the horrible crash
that you died instantly from
...was not "meant to be"

a horrible crash
is just an accident that
occurs randomly

Posted on Jan 24, 2012 7:01:12 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - Are all deaths a random occurrence?

Posted on Jan 24, 2012 8:10:00 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2012 10:58:13 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 24, 2012 1:18:08 PM PST
I guess murder's not
although if "god" inspired
it's just delusion

suicide is not...
the decision however
may come at random...

if fate's what you mean
I don't subscribe to that, life's
not "predetermined"

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2012 11:31:45 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - A random desire to commit suicide? Perhaps you mispoetized. Can a heart simply wear out?

Posted on Jan 24, 2012 12:23:47 PM PST
two different words
desire's not decision
feeling's not action

hearts do wearout though
especially weary ones
suffering does that...

Posted on Jan 25, 2012 3:44:31 PM PST
Neurology seeks
to find the answers of self
and claims to be close

when they're testing "self"
they test interaction (Sense)
of "self" with body

the question is what's
"self" versus the "sense of self"
can "self" be measured?

Synapses, proteins,
and a slight electric pulse.
...bio- "micro-chips"

tests manipulate
these bio chips and record
the output observed

shock the temporal lobe,
record patient's reactions
make broad assumptions

administer drugs
that inhibit receptors,
strange changes are found

testing perception
will change subject's perception
but it's still "perceived"

when no longer "sensed"
is that a true loss of "self"
or just "sense of self"

take simple "black-outs",
no memory of antics
occurred when drinking...

drunk's still know their names
in animated blackouts...
"self" not "sense of self?

next morning's questions
show no "sensations" at all
"Sense of self" was lost...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 25, 2012 4:22:56 PM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - Just observe the self absorbed and you will get a pretty good idea. Cue mirror in HHS's room.

Posted on Jan 25, 2012 4:23:16 PM PST
I. L. Walker says:
Your the best HHS.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 25, 2012 6:04:31 PM PST
you're as in "you are"?
the best at what, may I ask?
I'm pretty average...

Posted on Jan 25, 2012 6:16:57 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 25, 2012 9:27:02 PM PST
a great play on words
as I am "absorbed" in "self"
at least the "concept"

it's a deep topic
that can be quite consuming
and fascinating

Posted on Jan 25, 2012 9:39:11 PM PST
the thread's about "soul"
in my interpretation
that means about "self"

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 4:01:47 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - Yes You're the best. I have respect for your dedication to your craft. You are the best at trying to express meaning through the rigid structure you have commited yourself to. Being average is one of the easiest path to the openess required to aquire wisdom. No pressure to conform to foolish conventions which feed the ego but blind the soul.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 4:04:14 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - Indeed.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 4:06:01 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - I tend to think of it as our being. Being selfish is choosing not being spiritual.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 6:04:36 AM PST
I'd think of it as...
spiritual is "spirit"
"spirit" equals "soul"

"self" concept IS "soul"
therefore the study of "self"
is spiritual...

"selfish" implies that
there's a lack of compassion
I've not expressed that...

further in this thread
I will touch on compassion
powering the "soul"

my earlier post
touched on positive charging,
...compassion can too.

compassion "feels" good
it's compelled by "emotion",
which charges the soul...

Posted on Jan 26, 2012 11:45:17 AM PST
[Deleted by the author on Jan 26, 2012 11:46:53 AM PST]

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 5:05:36 PM PST
Today's bumper sticker:

"Haikus confuse me
Too often they make no sense
Hand me the pliers"

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 5:26:10 PM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - You might have a slight tendency to inward self expression, the introvert poet, so to speak.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2012 7:01:01 PM PST
funny ones are for you
an attempt to give you laughs
how is that selfish?

as for pondering,
on a forum like this one
It's to get input...

reaching to others
to share ideas which might fuse
with my own ideas

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2012 6:56:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 27, 2012 6:56:32 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - Self Reinforcement or self refection? Do you seek shelter or light?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2012 7:18:24 AM PST
some reinforcement
I suppose I like feedback
but more reflection

my ultimate goal
would be to understand "soul"
if that's possible...

if only theories,
I'll keep searching for knowledge
to advance my views...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 27, 2012 7:30:08 AM PST
I. L. Walker says:
HHS - What motivates you to understand "soul" ?
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