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Are religious people reasonable?

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Initial post: May 31, 2012 8:41:19 PM PDT
Bill McLean says:
"If religious people were reasonable, there wouldn't be any religious people." TV DR. HOUSE

Posted on May 31, 2012 8:43:05 PM PDT
No, religious people are not reasonable, or they would not be religious.

Posted on May 31, 2012 8:50:06 PM PDT
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Posted on May 31, 2012 8:58:02 PM PDT
Bill McLean says:
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Posted on May 31, 2012 9:05:54 PM PDT
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Bill McLean says:
Clearly, religious people are simply not reasonable. Most are poor frightened of death people, who will turn away from all logic for comfort in a fictional world. Others who fake belief through faith use religion to commit atrocities.

Now don't we all live in the best of all possible worlds? This is why mankind is in perpetual war with themselves and their neighbors. They shout "God is love" while they kill non-believers and exploit believers.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 9:14:50 PM PDT
Eric Pyle says:

I think you're oversimplifying things a bit.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 9:34:32 PM PDT
Katydid says:
A person who is reasonable takes into account the background, circumstances, and feelings of the one he or she is talking to. And is willing to yield when it is appropriate to do so.

I don't think it is fair to categorize an entire group as unreasonable. Reasonableness is an individual quality.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 9:42:19 PM PDT
William McLean - "Are religious people reasonable? "

I don't think it's an all-or-nothing proposition. Someone can be reasonable on the vast majority of subjects, but intractable concerning one particular hobbyhorse. I know people who I consider intelligent and reasonable, until you get them on the subject of vaccinations, or WMD in Iraq, or waterboarding, or, yes, religion. People are good at compartmentalizing their intelligence and knowledge. I have no idea how they do it, but they can just exempt particular areas of their intellectual lives from critical scrutiny. In all other areas they know to ask "what reason do I have to think this is true," and then when they get to religion they switch to "what strong reason, really, do I have to think this is false?" That's strange to watch in action, but I wouldn't call them flat-out unreasonable. Just selectively reasonable, you might say.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 10:19:59 PM PDT
(Thank you.)

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 10:43:17 PM PDT
Lufer says:
They think they are reasonable, but from a truly objective standpoint, they are not. Religion defies reason.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 11:31:54 PM PDT
Lj3d says:
Dr. House is a great fictional TV character. I enjoyed that show and watched almost all episodes. In real life however, I have known religious people and I found most of them to be reasonable in most every way except possibly their religion. And I say "except possibly" because there have been plenty of religious people I know who admit they take their religion on faith, and that seems reasonable enough to me. Nobody, not even atheists know if God exists or not. Most atheists admit this, but a few will take the unprovable position of absolutely no God which seems unreasonable for a scientific person to do.

Posted on May 31, 2012 11:36:47 PM PDT
Are people (religious or non-) reasonable? I have met some really reasonable people in my life - and some of them were religious and some of them were not. I've also met my share of unreasonable people - and some of them were religious, and some of them were not. I think a good indication that a person is reasonable is when they don't try to make broad, sweeping generalizations about whole groups of people - but take the time to look at people as individuals.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 11:52:27 PM PDT
Lufer says:
Are birthers, people who believe in bigfoot, and alien abductees reasonable?

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Eric Pyle says:
The fake moral dilemmas that appear in every episode of Dr. House wouldn't be popular if Americans didn't still think along Christian lines.

Each and every time, the plot consists of contingent, local truth (the hospital rules) posed against a lone saint who obeys only the Higher Truth (saving souls whatever it takes).

There's a sort of similar medical mystery show on Japanese TV, but since there's no such Christian background in Japanese thinking, the doctors all wear white coats and work together to solve the cases. It's boring as hell. But at least it doesn't require us to believe in that whole Lone Saviour bit.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2012 12:02:33 AM PDT
Lj3d says:
The ones I know generally are. Some of them are just overzealous about what they believe in just as some religious folks are. People want something larger than themselves to believe in or at least something far more dramatic than what science can offer. NASA human spaceflight can't compete with sci fi channel alien specials. Microbes on mars can't compete with bigfoot. Unfortunate but true.

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Lj3d says:
In this case, we know Aquaman is a comic book character created by some person. In the God case, we don't know because we cannot know as long as life is the way it is now. I may not believe in God, but what I'm really saying is that I don't believe in Christian Bible God...or Zeus...or Allah...or any number of human constructed mythological Gods. However, I cannot say there is absolutely, 100% verified and proven that there is no God. Why? Because I cannot go all over the Universe and beyond and back or forwards to prove there is no God. In other words, cannot prove a negative.

You might call me sort of an oddball in that I can see the possibilities of both sides of the argument of creation if you will. The Universe came into existence all by itself is not unreasonable to me. There has been enormous amounts of time for it to happen. We see no direct evidence of a being involved in the creation of the Universe and all in it. And the Universe appears to be anything but fine tuned for life.

OTOH, the idea that a supreme being brought it forth or both God and Universe have existed eternally is also possible to me. Humanity simply doesn't know enough about life and the Universe to be able to say for sure it wasn't created. But now taking those two seemingly opposed positions, I cannot prove one over the other until I can go out into the Universe (Not gonna happen) and explore it in its entirety at all times past, present or future...or unless God, if he exists, proves himself in an undeniable way to ALL of humanity, not just believers.

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Lj3d says:
You bring up an excellent point there. Though I may seem unreasonable, think of it this way. What percentage of likelihood of something would you assign to God, and Aquaman? You know as well as I do that Aquaman is a comic book character which in turn had to be created by someone who probably developed the Aquaman character as a composite of real people the author has known and some he only imagined. In addition, prior to the Aquaman comic books, there is no references I'm aware of that Aquaman was ever mentioned in name and character as he appears now. With God, you don't know if the human constructed Gods are simply human constructs and nothing more because first off, we don't know exactly where, when and how the idea of God originated. Did it begin because caveman was afraid of thunder...did it begin because ancient aliens visited the earth and inspired humanity? Or did it begin because humans were divinely inspired? So from these examples, all we can do is say what one seems the most likely, Occams razor if you will.

So technically, I probably should say there is a 50% chance God exists and only a < 1% chance Aquaman exists based on what I know about both.

Posted on Jun 1, 2012 1:21:49 AM PDT
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What is reasonable? I find most people who are steeped in religion, god belief and the Bible to the extent that they make excuses. Turn a blind eye to the lack of evidence to maintain that blind faith to the point of being ridiculous and who will also in the same breath trash, disregard tested theories with an abundance of evidence, I personally would classify them as being unreasonable. Not only unreasonable, but irrational as well.

Some religious people are reasonable. It just depends upon what lengths they are willing to extend themselves in order to defend extraordinary claims. The more they extend themselves, the less reasonable they become and begin to produce illogical agruments. So it depends on the person.

I must admit. I have encountered some believers who are way out there. In left, left, left field beyond the parking lot. Most just spew BS and empty syrupy platitudes. It doesn't take much for my BS detector meter to register when the air gets thick with who can outdo whom in praising an imaginary Lord and Christ.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2012 1:26:26 AM PDT
Lj3d says:
Reasonable to me would be a person who is religious...and also pays their taxes, be constructive citizens as well. Many even accept scientific findings alongside their beliefs. My only beef as an agnostic, are the religious fundamentalist types or the ones who push it on you.

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Posted on Jun 1, 2012 1:41:26 AM PDT
Lj3d says:
Lol, fair enough. I always thought the mutants came from Uranus. Or was that asteroids or...never mind.
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