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Initial post: Mar 13, 2012 9:38:22 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
In the context of religion, what does the phrase "feet of clay" mean to you?

Thanks,

'prob

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 3:43:07 AM PDT
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Mary washed Jesus' feet and the water ran like clay colored dirt?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 7:47:37 AM PDT
LOL!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 7:51:49 AM PDT
"Feet of clay" comes from Nebuchadnezzar's dream in the second chapter of the Book of Daniel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_2#Nebuchadnezzar.E2.80.99s_dream

The dream is of an idol made partly of gold, partly of brass, and partly of iron, but with feet of clay. It is overthrown by a great stone.

The phrase has passed into the language to refer to someone apparently illustrious who, like the idol, is flawed.

Posted on Mar 14, 2012 8:50:16 AM PDT
D. Mulhollen says:
It reminds me of my childhood when I used to spend almost the entire summer barefoot.

Oh yeah, Nebuchadnezzar's Dream, the popular prophesy--although terribly inaccurate to describe history after the fall of Babylon. It purports the gold head represents Babylon, the brass body Persia, the iron legs Rome, and the clay feet medieval Europe. The problem was, that in a historically-accurate context, the Babylonian Empire was the smallest and least significant nation. Persia was greater in size, and had a far more centralized bureaucracy. Rome was even greater, unfairly delegated in the dream to iron legs. And ironically, if the clay feet were to represent Europe after Rome fell, that is actually when Christianity was at it's greatest and most important.

Besides if Daniel was a truly competent dream interpreter, he'd realize Nebuchadnezzar's dream was obviously about sex...gold head, indeed.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 11:55:47 AM PDT
The feet of clay are actually mixed with the broken pieces of iron from the statue's legs. This is the last earthly empire of the last age. The iron is the former Roman Empire resurrected yet not as strong as it used to be. The ten toes are the final ten kingdoms that are under the anti Christ who rules the entire earth.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 12:02:19 PM PDT
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'probabilist says:
In the context of religion, what does the phrase "feet of clay" mean to you?

J.H.--'brittle' or 'malleable' depending on which stage of formation.

One wonders if the feet aren't symbolic of mobility to that dream, even though the image was statuesque.

Dammit, that still doesn't fit it into the context of religion. From my viewpoint, I have to see the author's perspective of artisan crafted idols; but to our time period, an idol might be much more self made, like clay-formed, maybe even an actor/celebrity on the go. The over arching theme of Daniel's book has spiritual 'principles' / principals manipulating the kingdoms of men, subservient to God.

In that context the politicians of multiple kingdoms are venerated more than the sum of the parts. (Celebrity apprentice?)

Posted on Mar 14, 2012 12:05:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 14, 2012 12:06:37 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
to be honest, when i hear "feet of clay" i will probably *always* think of the Pratchett book before considering any Biblical allegory.

Feet of Clay (Discworld)

sorry in advance for not adding to the discussion. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 6:49:54 PM PDT
DM

Yes, summer. By the time school started after Labor Day we all at least a half inch of leather on the soles of our feet.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012 10:40:45 AM PDT
"feet of clay"

What's left after flood waters receed.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012 3:54:23 PM PDT
Aardwizz says:
I consider Nebuchanezzar to be the first recorded Skeptic. He certainly made the first usable test to verify "psychic" ability.

He didn't simply say, "Here's my dream, what did it mean", and then use his own judgement to accept or reject the interpretation. He said, "I had a dream. Tell me what my dream was, and then tell me it's interpretation."

This test first has the psychic prove that he is indeed psychic, since he must relate to Nebuchanezzar something that N knows but the psychic could not possibly know (by earthly means, at least).

Nebuchanezzar's plan does suffer from a fallacy of Authority: just because the psychic can accurately identify a dream doesn't mean he knows how to interpret it properly. But it's still lot better than even going to your local pshrink with your dreams and asking for their meaning. You'll likely learn as much about the pshrink's psyche as your own, for all his "scientific understanding".

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Posted on Mar 16, 2012 6:07:32 AM PDT
Corinne M. Vanderstreet is Violet, in case anyone cares to know.
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