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Why and How did you leave the faith?


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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 2, 2012 6:58:03 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 2, 2012 6:43:44 PM PDT
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Astrocat says:
Lao Tzu, I'm not sure if you're thinking I'm an atheist, but if so I should tell you that I'm definitely not. For me there is the Divine Life, and it permeates and interpenetrates everything, so that everything, including human beings and galaxies, and mountains and trees and slugs and sand and so on, everything is that Life. There's no way I could ever be an atheist because I identify so closely with that Life.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 2, 2012 6:39:44 PM PDT
Astrocat says:
Jack, it's obvious you know nothing about astrology or karma/reincarnation, because if you did you couldn't possibly assert that they're "organized, dogmatic systems." That's fine. There are plenty of pathways for all of us, and I hope yours is as satisfying for you as mine is for me.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 8:19:48 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:57:05 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
LOL Susie !

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:55:58 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
S. Evans - if I think we are all "One" or spritually connected, I may grow a sense of entitlement (the end-game I see of the deep Christians with regard to others).

If I correctly perceive the universe (and most other people) as indifferent to me, I have to "be the love" that I want to see in others. In this way an indifferent universe calls us to be our best selves, because the universe is not helping out.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:52:24 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
S. Evans, Jack is stating it pretty roughly, but he is accurate.

I am sometimes "torn" about debating the "mild" Christians, the ones that don't discount science, have little desire to proslytize, and basically have Jesus as a sort of Santa for adults.

These people do me no harm and yet I think they are SO CLOSE to dispensing with mysticism, I want to help them over the hump.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:49:12 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
Good question Ariex - when I watched his debate with Sam Harris, he looked like he actually believed what he was saying, and had this crabby look on his face as he was refuted.

That being said, some people are such sociopaths that they can truly mimic any emotion to achieve their ends.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:44:42 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
Nancy, I want to echo that some people I know became atheists with a whimper rather than a bang. It took several years, then they recognized it after the fact rather than from some life changing event occurring.

Posted on Jul 31, 2012 10:40:13 PM PDT
;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 10:39:15 PM PDT
Re Susie, above: Wonderful! Thanks for sharing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 10:30:11 PM PDT
The offering plate came coming down my row, Sunday in and Sunday out, and I finally had it, so I bopped the pastor with it. They got mad.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 10:18:08 PM PDT
Re Derkins, above: (LOL!) But what decided you to do so?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 5:35:53 PM PDT
I ran screaming out of the church so fast, I ran down half the congregation. Burnt rubber out of the parking lot, and never looked back.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 5:14:21 PM PDT
jpl says:
Why and How did you leave the faith?

jpl: Because it's FAITH!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 4:55:49 PM PDT
Ariex says:
S. Evans says: "You certainly are an angry man. That's too bad. It's not good for your health."

Ariex: When one doesn't have evidence or logic to support his beliefs, one often resorts to an attack on the character of the critics.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 1:56:37 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 1:06:52 PM PDT
S. Evans says:
Jack Vix says: "Terrible rebut. I'm not angry. But even if I was it would more healthy than supressing it and being delusional shiny and happy. Life is tough, but insanity isn't an argument. Trust me, anger isn't using a bunch of digital lines to be critical."

Your being "critical" is not being done in any sort of logical fashion; you come across as an either-or person. This is how it appears to me: Either you are 100% atheist (which in your mind is a good thing), or you are not (which in your mind is a bad thing). Apparently you include in your definition of atheism, zero belief in any sort of spiritualism. Maybe we should offer our own definitions of the word "spiritualism" and then compare it to an accepted third source. It appears to me that you dislike the word because perhaps it comes with a connotation that we have some sort of eternal spirit. If you re-read my original post here, you'll notice that I mentioned nothing of the sort. I merely referred to my search for understanding the connection all human life has to this planet as a sort of "spirituality," correct? Whereupon you became huffy and excluded me from your little perceived cohort with: "I don't believe in any BS. So no you don't."

The real issue here is that it appears that you are a person who prefers to look for reasons to exclude others; I tend to do the opposite. There is no judgmental value to be attached to this observation, btw. Maybe it merely comes from you being a male and myself being a female.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 12:36:13 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 12:25:24 PM PDT
S. Evans says:
You certainly are an angry man. That's too bad. It's not good for your health.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 11:52:01 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 10:55:21 AM PDT
Re Ariex, above: I don't think that there is any good way to tell -- and it really doesn't matter, one way or the other.

I read his book Life After Death: The Burden of Proof, and concluded that it was drivel.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 10:36:19 AM PDT
Ariex says:
Lao Tzu says: "Maybe they pick up a book by Deepak Chopra, another guy I think is a raving nutcase."

Ariex: Is he really a nutcase, or is he a very clever but amoral person exploiting nutcases in order to be rich and important?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 10:00:45 AM PDT
S. Evans says:
Jack Vix says to Nancy: "You're not exploring anything but made up rules, self-fulfiling prophesies and your imagination. You've been attached far too long to be objective about this. You're addicted. "

My, aren't you harsh?

I share some of both your, and Nancy's, belief systems. My own spirituality is my attempt to realize and understand the connection between my own meat space body, and that of the other organisms I share the planet with. I don't think of this as "faith" or "religion" because there is no proof that there are deities, a creator (or more than one), gods, fairies, elves, unicorns, saints, devils, or what not. There is definitely evidence, however, that we are just another cog in the natural world. Why should this matter to me? Because as a human, I have the power and ability to affect the natural world. Understanding how helps sometimes to mitigate the damage I do just by being alive. Why does that matter? It is probably only important to my own ego. And maybe to that ant I stepped over on the sidewalk.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 30, 2012 9:02:29 AM PDT
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