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What were the Greek gods, and why did they become obsolete?


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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 3, 2015 5:16:20 AM PST
It was probably the caps and exclamation points.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 3, 2015 5:15:16 AM PST
Uranus (the sky) was the boss god.
Cronus (Saturn) castrated his father Uranus and became the boss god.
Zeus defeated his father Cronus, imprisoned him in Tartarus, and became the boss god.
Noticing this pattern, Zeus lives in perpetual fear of being replaced by one of his children.
He tried to eat Athena, and she popped out of his head anyway.*
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Yahweh is constantly trying to get the Hebrews to stop worshipping other gods. They keep on doing it. He keeps on punishing them. There's a contest between Yahweh and Ba'al where God sets an altar that's been doused in water on fire (or maybe Elijah used lighter fluid). On the one hand, there's no evidence that these other gods exist (with the possible exceptions of the Egyptian magicians who could turn their staffs into serpents); on the other hand, Yahweh never comes right out and says "look, dummies, these other gods you keep worshiping don't even exist."

Yahweh does not appear to be threatened by these "other gods."

*Athena finally defeated Zeus in Wonder Woman #217 (vol 2)

Wonder Woman #217

(This has been retconned.)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 3, 2015 5:13:05 AM PST
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Under polytheistic systems, gods are goodie dispensers. Pray to/sacrifice to God-X for goodie X, God-Y for goodie Y, God-Z for goodie Z.
Polytheists who convert to monotheism figure the monotheistic God is an all-purpose goodie dispenser.
Monotheists who fail to get the goodies they expect ("I have proven scientifically that prayer doesn't work!") become atheists.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 3, 2015 5:12:43 AM PST
Gaea _was_ the Earth.
Demeter and Persephone were _in charge of_ crops and fertility.
Uranus _was_ the sky.
Later, Zeus became the god _in charge of_ the sky.
Oceanus _was_ the Ocean (thought of as a river surrounding the known world).
Poseidon became the god _in charge of_ the Ocean.
Helios _was_ the sun.
Hyperion and Apollo were _in charge of_ the sun.
Hades was both the place and the person in charge of the place.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 2, 2015 8:49:08 AM PST
Ambulocetus says:
Just to save you time and energy, could you also put me on ignore? I have different beliefs than you do, which might challenge your ideas in ways that you won't enjoy.

Thank you!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 7:40:03 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
Right thanks. I'm putting you on ignore.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:39:16 PM PST
Well I read the Aeneid in the original Latin, which picks up the story further. Still, as an atheist, I obviously have nothing to say to you on the matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:34:01 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
You guessed wrong and in fact you are wrong about it. Zeus and the others are very real indeed,

What exactly someone like Zeus really represents I don't know. They probably represent some aspect of God. So in that sense the ancient Greeks were correct.

I think it's in the Iliad where Homer writes that Zeus acts based on laws. Those are universal laws.

Homer's Iliad story is very strange and mysterious.

Mythic Troy: The Complete Story Legend Archeology and Intuition

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:32:48 PM PST
F. says:
Now the Roman gods and goddesses, they are the real thing!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:29:35 PM PST
Jeff, I have a great interest in Greek mythology, and have lived in Greece. However, I am atheistic towards the Greek gods, and I am guessing you are too. So we are both Greek atheists on this thread.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:24:42 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
No I don't and they don't have any valid role to play in a Religion forum.

We're talking about mythology in this particular discussion. Another subject where atheists have zero value add to offer. One of many, many subjects.

All of their mindless ranting is really just a million different ways of saying the same stupid thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:21:41 PM PST
So how would you describe it?
Do you not think you could learn something from all those millions of atheists out there?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:19:53 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
I don't consider ignoring all atheists as being closed minded.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 3:07:47 PM PST
How very tolerant and open-minded of you, Jeff.

Posted on Mar 1, 2015 3:02:17 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
You made it onto my ignore list for some reason. Atheism is the usual culprit for getting on that list.

General Disarray (®_0) says:

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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 2:59:19 PM PST
A god that loves lettuce. Now that is weird....

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 2:57:28 PM PST
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There is a weird story about Set where he tried to "top" or even rape Horus and put sperm in Horus's body to dominate him, but Horus tricked Set and caught the ejaculate with a lettuce leaf, then got Set to eat the lettuce with his own sperm on it. Set loved lettuce. Later... the other gods called for Set's sperm to come out of Horus's butt but the sperm actually came out of Set's own body. Set was humiliated, Horus won. Weird.

Posted on Mar 1, 2015 2:49:40 PM PST
(®_0) says:
In Christianity, there is one alpha god (that even has multiple identities) to rule them all, then a bunch of lesser "Angel" gods that may have attributes. Why is this that much different from the Greek gods or Hindu gods?

Posted on Mar 1, 2015 10:00:17 AM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
Some of the mythological gods and goddesses appear in multiple mythologies.

Aset became Isis for the Greeks. Horus became Apollo I think.

I'm not sure but I think Zeus also exists in the Egyptian religion.

Prometheus is the Satanic figure in Greek mythology. The Egyptians have Set. In this case I don't think Prometheus and Set are the same person. They are friends though.

Set has returned to our world and established a Satanic religion called The Temple Of Set. Set is bisexual I think.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 9:14:44 AM PST
I simply provided a reference to what Herodotus wrote around 450BC. It is quite possible that the Greeks may have "Hellenized" the Egyptian Gods.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 9:11:08 AM PST
F. says:
The Greek gods were very different from the Egyptian gods.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2015 8:59:23 AM PST
Eric Pyle says: "In order to be able to live, the Greeks must have created these gods out of the deepest necessity."

According to the research conducted by Herodotus, The Histories , Book II, [50], almost all the Greek gods came from Egypt. Poseidon came from Libya.

The Philosopher-Emperor Julian, a nephew of Constantine, discusses "the universal yearning for the divine that is in all" of us in "Against the Galilaeans":

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_galileans_0_intro.htm

Julian presented some fascinating critiques of the religion of the Hebrews and of the sect of Galileans (Christians), and promoted the superior religion of the Hellenes (Greek Philosophy). By the 4th century, the notion that there was one God had become widespread.

Posted on Mar 1, 2015 7:57:35 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 1, 2015 8:00:23 AM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
Here's my review for a book about the Medusa story.

I gave this book a three star rating.

Medusa: Solving the Mystery of the Gorgon
by Stephen R. Wilk
Edition: Paperback

Conventional, Mundane Explanations For The Medusa Myth,
February 2, 2014

I guess there's a few different approaches people can take when they try to figure out what the mythological stories really mean.

One approach is that people who lived in the ancient past were little more than cave men. When they saw lightning or other natural phenomenon which they didn't understand they made up stories about how the gods and goddesses were causing it. That's the approach this book takes and it's the wrong approach.

Wilk provides all sorts of theories about the origins of the Medusa myth such as it represents octopuses or the Medusa image was used on shields to distract enemy soldiers. He says gargoyles are also representations of Medusa and these were used to scare pigeons and other birds so they wouldn't create nests on top of buildings. He gets into those theories in too much detail.

I think he is correct however when he says there are connections between the constellation of Perseus which contains two variable, eclipsing stars and the Medusa legend. Wilk claims he was the one who discovered this theory. But if the constellation is called Perseus I think people in the past must have already realized this unless it was Wilk who named this constellation.

Another view is that the myths are true but they are based on a metaphysical rather than a literal reality and somehow these myths were communicated to people in the past. In fact that is correct. Zeus and those others are very real.

The Greek authors Hesiod and Homer said they heard the myths from the Muses who are daughters of Zeus who love song and banquets. The Muses 'sang' the myths to those authors. And, just as Moses had his staff, the Muses gave Hesiod a staff. Hesiod and Homer are for mythology what Moses is for the Old Testament. Like Moses those authors received supernatural revelations about spiritual truths.

Ancient cultures believed the constellations of the Zodiac are living entities. They felt the stars in those constellations influenced how the Earth was formed all of those unimaginable eons ago and they continue to influence us today.

This idea is supported by the bible. The prophet Ezekiel had the vision of the living creatures. These creatures have 4 faces which correspond to the 4 fixed signs of the Zodiac. The Zodiac creatures appear again in the Book Of Revelation. They are the ones who told John about the Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse. The Zodiac creatures are 'covered with eyes' which I guess means the stars see all.

I heard about this book on the TV show Clash Of The Gods. In the episode about Medusa they talk about the version of the myth were Poseidon makes contact with the lovely maiden Medusa in the Temple Of Athena. In this book that version of the story is downplayed and only mentioned as an aside but I don't know why.

But for that version one theory Wilk mentions is Medusa may represent Athena's alter ego or dark side. When I read this I thought about the TV show Bewitched and Samantha's dark alter ego Sabrina. Who can ever forget Elizabeth Montgomery on this TV show ?

Unlike the mythological stories the ancient pyramids that are found in Egypt and many other places are not as easy to dismiss as mere legends and those enigmatic structures are not subject to modification over time. In many cases these pyramids are aligned with certain stars and constellations and they have architectural features which are only apparent on those special days like the spring and fall equinoxes.

I don't agree with everything Giorgio Tsoukalos says on the TV show Ancient Aliens by any means. But Giorgio did say something I agree with. The Pyramid Of Kukulkan in Central America is like living mythology. On those special days every year the Sun creates a shadow from the stairs on this pyramid which looks like the body of a writhing snake. Then down at the bottom of the stairs is the head of the snake.

Some people look up at the constellations like Orion and the Pleiades and see one gigantic, meaningless coincidence. Ancient cultures saw much more however.

Hesiod's Theogony (Focus Classical Library)

Fulcanelli: Master Alchemist: Le Mystere des Cathedrales, Esoteric Intrepretation of the Hermetic Symbols of The Great Work

Zeus: A Journey Through Greece in the Footsteps of a God

Initiation by Elizabeth Haich

Mythic Troy: The Complete Story Legend Archeology and Intuition

Fingerprints of the Gods

Edgar Cayce's Egypt: Psychic Revelations on the Most Fascinating Civilization Ever Known

Possession (1981)
Isabelle Adjani (Actor), Sam Neill (Actor), Andrzej Zulawski (Director) | Rated: R | Format: DVD

The Curse / Curse 2: The Bite (Double Feature)

The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima (2006)
Angela Clarke (Actor), Gilbert Roland (Actor), John Brahm (Director) | Rated: NR | Format: DVD

Posted on Feb 28, 2015 2:36:44 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 28, 2015 2:37:51 PM PST
Eric Pyle says:
Nietszche, The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music:

The Greek knew and felt the terror and horror of existence. In order to live at all, he must have placed in front of him the gleaming Olympians, born in his dreams. That immense distrust of the titanic forces of nature, that Moira [Fate] enthroned mercilessly above all knowledge, that vulture that devoured Prometheus, friend of man, that fatal lot drawn by wise Oedipus, that family curse on the House of Atreus, that Orestes compelled to kill his mother, in short, that entire philosophy of the woodland god, together with its mythical illustrations, from which the melancholy Etruscans died off, all that was overcome time after time by the Greeks (or at least hidden and removed from view) through the artistic middle world of the Olympians.

In order to be able to live, the Greeks must have created these gods out of the deepest necessity.

We can readily imagine the sequential development of these gods: through that instinctive Apollonian drive for beauty there developed by slow degrees out of the primordial titanic divine order of terror the Olympian divine order of joy, just as roses break forth out of thorny bushes. How else could a people so emotionally sensitive, so spontaneously desiring, so singularly capable of suffering have endured their existence, unless the same qualities manifested themselves in their gods, around whom flowed a higher glory. The same instinctual drive which summons art into life as the seductive replenishment for further living and the completion of existence also gave rise to the Olympian world, by which the Hellenic "Will" held before itself a transfiguring mirror. In this way the gods justify the lives of men because they themselves live it-that is the only satisfactory theodicy!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2015 11:30:14 AM PST
'probabilist says:
Thanks!

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