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Overturning a baptism

Discussion moved to this forum by Amazon on Apr 26, 2012 9:26:14 AM PDT.


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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 12:02:09 AM PDT
tokolosi says:
;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:54:15 PM PDT
Like a baptism, it means whatever you want it to mean.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:42:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 10:43:05 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
ah...

so what's the difference?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:37:34 PM PDT
Because it's not a "Community Forum". It's an "Amazon Forum", and you'll find it there at the bottom of this screen.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:31:46 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 10:32:20 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
thought so...

so, how come GB is never listed under the "More Customer Discussions" at the bottom of the screen?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:26:03 PM PDT
Gold Box

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:21:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 10:22:07 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
in what forum did this thread originate?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:54:20 PM PDT
I know, I get nervous just passing a church or temple. If I ever went inside one I'd probably spontaneously combust!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:43:17 PM PDT
MommaCat says:
Well, yeah...I can't be here. These people will burn me if they see me!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:22:13 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 1:42:15 PM PDT
Yeah, how dare they mix this in with talking snakes, nine-hundred-year-old people, people being transformed into salt, horns that can destroy walls, humans residing in a living whale, the death penalty for adultery (stoning) and rivers that turn into blood.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 1:10:23 PM PDT
MommaCat says:
huh. This was moved to the religion forum.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 12:50:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 12:57:17 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
"What do you do if you are baptized after your death, by a Mormon relative????"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIwhUSsIBjY

(starts at 3:35)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 12:48:43 PM PDT
Yeah baby, yeah! Now that's religion I could get behind!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 12:42:49 PM PDT
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GW says:
I agree Tink.
When you start your OWN religion YOU are worshiped and the center of the universe.
I LOVE being a GODDESS.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 9:38:41 AM PDT
Good point Parrot, but rather than courage I think it's education. Haven't you ever wondered why God forbade eating from the tree of knowledge? I think its because education kills religion!

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 8:10:40 AM PDT
TinkHerToy says:
With enough courage you can do without religion. Baptism then becomes a moot point.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 8:00:23 AM PDT
I may need to check out the repost in the Religion forum. See what creative geniuses they have over there.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 7:57:16 AM PDT
John M. Getz says:
Arguing about religion is about as sensicle as arguing about the weather. Move on. If you don't have an answer to "can a baptism be reversed" then just be happy reading the responses from those with an answer. This is where arguments come from, people to immature or stupid to stay on topic.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 7:52:18 AM PDT
John M. Getz says:
iTS NOT FOOLISH JUST DIFFERENT

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 7:44:28 AM PDT
momof4 says:
Oh, no, you didn't offend me, but thanks :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 6:11:50 PM PDT
I was in Catholic elementary school when Vatican II happened in 1967. Some of George Carlin's observations of Catholic doctrine rang very true when I heard them a few years later. Like hoping all the unbaptized babies got promoted to heaven when they closed Limbo, or wondering about the souls trapped in hell because they ate meat on a Friday before it became okay.

I was baptized as an infant. Never gave much thought about it. It held as much relevance to me as my mother's baby shower before I was born did. It was just something done. No one thought about it. It was mindless ritual. Just like mass on Sunday. Ritual. Just like when Milhouse was cast as Radioactive Boy said, "I've said 'jiminy jillikers' so many times the words have lost all meaning."

And then there was "Confirmation" in second grade. As if a bunch of 7-year-olds could consent to anything. We learned our parts in the ceremony no different than if it was the school play.

I can't turn back the clock and undo these meaningless rituals. They happened. But, so what? If they don't have any meaning, they don't mean anything! (That should actually be self-evident, which is why this whole thread is kind of silly.)

My parents or the nuns with rulers couldn't commit my soul to any deity. Just because they put on the ceremony doesn't mean it had any significance.

On the other hand, I could look back, and say those events were meaningful and important parts of my life. I could make that choice. I have free will.

Even if I had waited until I was more mature, and capable of making a decision, that doesn't mean I'm stuck with that decision for the rest of my life. I can change my mind anytime. And no matter how meaningful the ceremony might have been at the time, if I choose to strip it of its meaning today, then it would be stripped of its meaning.

There's not going to be some kind of metaphysical dispute where one deity and another go to arbitration because I was baptized ages ago, and changed my mind today. I don't have to get some kind of waiver or release from one religion before I can adopt a new one.

Free will is a wonderful thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 5:21:56 PM PDT
Momof5boys says:
B. Payne,
Infant baptism has been controversial for hundreds of years. It was one of the factors in the Reformation. Annabaptists (hence amish, mennonites, ect.) did something call rebaptising which was heresy according to the Catholic church. Grounds to burn at the stake.

Nowadays some churches do what they call a baby dedication. It is to say one plans on raising their child to know the things of God, and the church prays for the child. I personally believe that baptisim is for an individual to decide. It is a step in the relationship one has with God. I think some people believe that a baby cannot go to heaven unless they are baptised. My sister who is Catholic had a priest pray for my Mother when she was dying and thought she got her into the pearly gates. Sheesh.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 5:19:43 PM PDT
B. Payne says:
I appreciate your thoughts on the matter, I kinda went a little over board, currently my older brother is going to have there daughter baptised here soon, and she is only a few months old. Your right when you say it falls on the parenting, nothing wrong with sheltering, as long as it is done contstructively, its the extreme cases of the bible bashing religious brain washed god is law people that really irk my nerves, but then who am I to say or do anything against them. You sound like a good person, and if my post had offended you in anyway (though im sure it didnt) I want to apologize :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 5:11:31 PM PDT
Momof5boys says:
GW,
Don't forget to stand in a dark room while looking in a mirror and turning around three times, lol.

Posted on Apr 25, 2012 4:39:47 PM PDT
I've enjoyed your posts immensely. See you all in he!!. :o
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