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Initial post: May 28, 2012 6:52:47 PM PDT
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." - Gen 1: 27 (note that it doesn't say that God created just SOME of us, but God created ALL of us in God's image and likeness) and "And God saw EVERY thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." - Gen 1: 31 (If you are dissing God's creation, you are dissing God.)

"Judge not, that ye be not judged...Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?" - Matthew 7

"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love...There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." - I John 4

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." - Exodus 20

"And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." - Mark 12

"By their fruits ye shall know them." - Matthew 7

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." - Galatians 5

"Yea and verily I saith unto you, bigotry stinketh." - Karen 1: 1

Posted on May 28, 2012 6:56:15 PM PDT
But wait! There's more!

I Corinthians 13:
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Posted on May 28, 2012 8:10:23 PM PDT
hell kitten says:
Where is Karen 1:1? I like it, but -- uh?

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:16:13 PM PDT
Alpha,

Are you suggesting that we can't just pick and chose what we want to read literally? How ..... odd!!!

I can hardly wait for the next verse ..... type on ....

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:25:58 PM PDT
Am I suggesting that we can just pick and choose what we want to read literally?
Yep.
Those verses that point us towards love, kindness, tolerance, peace, and good will are the verses I find most useful and helpful to me, personally - those are the verses that speak to my heart.

There are other verses in The Bible that contradict those verses - we have to choose which ones we're going to interpret literally, and which ones we aren't, because to interpret them all literally would be sort of insane. We're told we're made in God's image and likeness, for instance, and then we're told we're all sinners - we have to choose which of these we're going to believe - I choose to believe the first one.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:27:35 PM PDT
Karen 1:1 is in the very back - so far back as to be beyond the back cover.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:31:57 PM PDT
Alpha,

Hmm, so we are status quo --- only now the "popular" verses are being rejected! The two verses you list are actually fairly easy to link together by defining sin as alienation from one God. There are others that don't work as well together, and many that would not define sin that way. I think literalism, especially out of context, is sacrilegious.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:32:26 PM PDT
Alpha,

I wanted verse 2....

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:39:48 PM PDT
Ah... yes... verse 2...
"And, behold, Love caused a great light to fill the absence of light, and a great love to fill the absence of love; and the darkness was no more, and the bigotry disappeared and was no more; for neither the darkness nor the bigotry had a source or a power; and, verily, the bigotry was no more. Amen." Karen 1: 2-5

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:46:43 PM PDT
Balderdash.
If God created us in her image and likeness, and saw that we were good - how could there be any part of us that would choose to turn away from God? As God's reflection, we could no more choose to turn away from God, then God could choose to turn away from God. And why would a loving God make a creation capable of sinning and then punish that creation for doing what she made it capable of doing? And don't give me that bit about God loving us so much that she gave us "free will" - that's just silly - what kind of loving parent would give her child free will to choose to spend an eternity in fiery damnation? That kind of a "timeout" is just way beyond reasonable.

You may think "literalism, especially out of context, is sacrilegious" - but I don't think there's anything at all sacrilegious about loving our neighbours as ourselves, seeking after peace, and dwelling in love - I think those things define what it means to be God's image and likeness.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:47:02 PM PDT
Alpha,

I liked the first one better. May be should just try for Chapter 2 so that there can be more information. May a letter to a particular group, all Ephesus, or Corinth, or .... ah you pick!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:51:39 PM PDT
Alpha,

I think we were basically agreeing. I didn't mean that to throw those out, just that they could be overall acceptable.

Sure wish my t-shirt that says the equivalent of "God loves you and she says you are okay" still fit!"-)

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 8:57:49 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2012 9:27:35 PM PDT
Karen 2: 1-10
A letter to Reed:

Insomuch as you have engaged in interesting conversation with me, and have neither used insult nor ad hominem attacks, and have used punctuation and grammar, and, lo and verily, even hadst thou used correct spelling, behold, God will shower you with blessings galore - treasures beyond reckoning shalt thou see - rainbows and waterfalls, green valleys and hills, snow-topped mountains and glittering seas shalt thou see; and thou shalt be enveloped in love, and protected by truth, and every good thing that is without cost shalt be available to thee, for, lo and verily, thou shalt draw near to the great heart of Love, and... stuff... and for some reason I'm thinking about that lollypop song right now... egads! Make it go away!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:02:35 PM PDT
Hah! Read in the Dark! I get it!

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:02:38 PM PDT
Alpha,

Now that is the omega!

While I have you "on the line" could you explain "stuff"? I'd hate for a literalist to think it was something other than something good!

Seriously, I love it!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:03:42 PM PDT
Alpha,

Just wanted you to know I picked up on it too!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:04:59 PM PDT
"stuff" as defined by The Great Wingoov: noun meaning "all that is everything"

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:10:07 PM PDT
alpha,

Great.

Posted on May 28, 2012 9:11:06 PM PDT
hell kitten says:
So now that I know what the bible says about bigotry ... what does Karen the lost chapter have to say?

A child comes and tells you that they were born in the wrong body. What is your response?

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:25:11 PM PDT
Wow. I can't be flippant here. There's so much pain with this one. I wish I had an answer that would fix everything. My belief is that we really are - each and every single one of us - made in the image of Love, and that it's what we are, in our essence, that defines who we are as people - not our bodies. But this is all just theoretical philosophical metaphysical mumbo jumbo on my part, and it's probably not of much use to a child who feels confused about her or his sexual identity.

I went through a kind of identity crisis of a different sort a few years ago - this wasn't a crisis with my sexual identity because that's always been really obvious and clear to me - but I felt like the person I'd always thought I was didn't exist anymore, and it took me a year or so to work my way through it. (I just published a new book about this experience.)

Here's some thoughts that were really helpful to me during this time:
"You is kind. You is smart. You is important." - Kathryn Stockett, from The Help Deluxe Edition

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." - Genesis 1

"The Scriptures inform us that man is made in the image and likeness of God... man is spiritual and perfect; and because he is spiritual and perfect, he must be so understood in Christian Science. Man is idea, the image, of Love; he is not physique. He is the compound idea of God, including all right ideas...that which has no separate mind from God; that which has not a single quality underived from Deity..." - Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures

I wish society could accept people for what they are, and appreciate and love every member, unconditionally. So much pain would dissolve, if we could do that for each other.

Karen

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 9:36:00 PM PDT
hell kitten says:
Karen - thanks for reply. But you never stated what you would tell a child. Only tried to skirt me here.

WHAT would you say to a child? That you only wish SOCIETY would love them? What about you? Oh lost chapter?

Posted on May 28, 2012 10:16:03 PM PDT
I hope I would say something like this:
I love you. You are precious to me, just as you are. I'm here for you, and I'll support you and help you in whatever way I can.

What would you say?

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 10:27:11 PM PDT
hell kitten says:
karen says: "I love you. You are precious to me, just as you are. I'm here for you, and I'll support you and help you in whatever way I can."

Seriously, if you'd live up to those words, then I'm a fan. But could you really support and help? Say the parents disown the child. Then what? You SAID you'd help...

What would I say? Biology is a b-tch, get use to it. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:24:21 AM PDT
peewee Lee says:
so much for the good parts and the parts you left out,slavery,stoning,murder,child abuse,spousal abuse etc.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:25:25 AM PDT
peewee Lee says:
Baloney every one knows the church has not loved anyone and has persecuted everyone. Talk Love show Hate. Thats the Church way.
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