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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 4:23:41 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
How do you jump from blastocysts and fetuses to fully grown clones? Please explain the significance.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 4:28:51 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
The answer to the problem of bullying or weapons in schools is not to keep one's children secluded at home by homeschooling them. The worst thing you can do is "protect" children to the point that they are incapable of dealing with social relations or learning to stand up for themselves in difficult situations.

Children have been bullying one another since time immemorial. The way to dal with it is to address it within the school, not by keeping one's children out of it.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 5:36:24 PM PDT
TO: Lawrence Holcomb

RE: "Thanks."

You're welcome.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 7:29:51 PM PDT
I had not heard of this it even legal to not school one's children?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 7:36:52 PM PDT
First thing -- the only way that homeschooling should ever be done is where one joins groups, so that the homeschooling kids get plenty of socialization.


Standing up for yourself is overrated where it comes to bullying. In many cases, especially where the bullying is not because they see you as a weak target, but because they see you as a strong target and are bullying you because they see you as an intelligent threat or a talented threat or whatever....standing up for yourself will only make it worse and more protracted.

Yes. Children have been bullying for time immemorial. There was a time when people never spoke of the damage that sexual abuse caused kids either, and it was much more common and not as looked down upon.

Just because an abuse style has been going on for awhile, does not mean that it should continue.

It doesn't make kids stronger at all, and studies have proven that.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 7:49:26 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 7:58:38 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
"Unschooling" is a homeschool movement that organizes learning around child-directed activities. This tends to be on the left side of the spectrum of parents. Wholistic learning would also be a good description of it. My understanding is that parents immerse their kid in a lot of outside the home experiences, like museums, libraries, and attending plays and musical events and not so much on structured curricula.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:02:09 PM PDT
Bullying is predicated on abuse, and the idea that we build ourselves up by tearing somebody else down.

So I propose a number of things.

1) Studies have shown that the midlevel bystanders who so often choose not to speak up and try and intervene out of fear have much more power than they think they do, and often when they do intervene, the bullying stops. So, definitely working with the midlevel people to gain confidence in intervening.

2) Focus on in a healthy way, finding the true talents and interests of each child very early on, and help them each build those skills, so that they have no need of jealousy.

3) If there are real stakes in punishment for children who bully, that would help. If parents have to have their children suspended to begin to impress upon them that bullying is not going to be tolerated, so be it.

4) So many times administration has a twisted view of which children are the healthy ones and which children are not. They often think that the seemingly healthy and confident ones that seem popular and who bully are the truly healthy and self-confident ones. People who have true self-confidence do not need to bully.

Let me repeat this because it is important.

People whose self-confidence is real and not a front don't bully, because they don't need to gain status from someone else, they have it internally.

Many times, it is actually the kids who are bullied who have the most maturity, the most willingness to try and talk through conflict instead of using fists or words as weapons, and the most healthy self-confidence (though often by the time high-school teachers see them, this has probably been worn down by simple attrition).

So correctly identifying the mature ones from the less mature ones who simply front well is an important step as well.

Insisting that children treat each other with respect on school grounds is NOT absolute surveillance.

Consider, when you are at a public place such as a nice restaurant, there are certain societal rules that one is expected to obey. And it is not considered impinging on rights if say, one guest who is accosting another guest is escorted forcibly out to keep the peace.

School is another place where certain rules should be in place but aren't. If we actually taught children that there were real consequences for that sort of behavior, and it was not to be done there, it would not be done nearly as much.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:04:15 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
I must be the only kid on the planet who had positive school experiences. I loved school. I had great teachers and learned a great deal about a very wide range of subjects. We created newspapers in English class, we recreated the Senatorial debates leading up to the Civil War, we put on musical performances. Yes, I was in a gifted program in junior high and a math sciences honors program in high school, but my overall school was safe and orderly and promoted learning. All this, I might add, in a lower middle class neighborhood of Brooklyn. Virtually all the kids in my schools were from working class families, or children of small business owners, and many were children of immigrants, as was I.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:10:46 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
I certainly didn't mean to imply that bullying should be tolerated. My point is that it needs to be tackled in the school and community environment and confronted. The answer is not to pull every child being bullied out of school to be homeschooled. All that does is shield kids from real life and they never learn to fight back. And sorry, but I disagree that sticking up for oneself is "overrated" or will only make the situation worse. Really, what is the long-term alternative to teaching kids to stand up to bullies? To run away and hide? Truly, that does not work. That being said, adults have to shae the environment for kids to feel safer in and are responsible for that happening.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:15:03 PM PDT
I do not mean to suggest that kids should never stand up for themselves.

However, whether they do needs to be left to the kid's own decision and intelligence. Maybe there are some cases where the bullies will stop if confronted.

However, in many cases, "standing up for yourself" and displaying the very confidence they are trying to destroy in you will be rewarded by increased efforts to destroy that confidence.

Oh trust me, there is no where to run and hide either.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:29:13 PM PDT
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Nah, you're not the only one. There are lots who fondly look back on their school years with nostalgia. I, on the other hand, reflect on it as probably the ultimate setting of conformity (other than the workplace) that I've ever had to endure. And that wasn't easy for a free-spirited type such as myself, I thrive on individuality. Plus kids can be very cruel, especially the middle school-age ones (they called it junior high back when I attended).

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:30:28 PM PDT
Birutegal says:
At 9 wks. the preborn looks like an infant but will continue to develop to maturity well after birth.

wk 2 blood circulation

wk 4 tubular heart beats, brain formed, spinal cord

wk 6 heartbeats detectible, stomach in final form, brain differentiated with cranial nerves present

wk 8 baby can move, heart and circulation complete

and [enjoy the music along with the images]

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:56:14 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:00:07 PM PDT
Birutegal says:
Jesus was by no means "a radical hippie." In fact, he was a traditional, morality-based man who commanded those he healed to go sin no more. Sinning would include that which happens in a bedroom: sodomy, s&m, pedophilia, incest, bestiality, porn, etc.

So you propose we live-and-let-live the above. These are the ways to a slow death.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:02:15 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:10:40 PM PDT
Birutegal says:

You are very confused as to what the NT teaches re the law. It says the law was good, a teacher to bring us to Christ, etc. And then the God-inspired apostles expand on how we are to live as believers in The Messiah who has grace iously covered our sins. Read Romans 1, for a start. Nothing there promotes idolatry, fornication, false witness, adultery, theft, dishonorning of parents, sodomy, etc.

However, the OT sacrificial cult was done away with for a time because he who was foreshadowed in these sacrifices for atonement had come. No more need for those numerous laws.

furthermore, the many reasons for execution are no longer applicable in our time. We no longer execute witches, ho m o se xuals, sabbath breakers who pick up sticks, etc.

See the difference? You want that these civil laws specifically given to the Israelites be carried out today, here in America? Really?

You have an objection to gentile males not having their you-know-whats lopped off?


You post, Furthermore, the issue is NOT whether or not the government should dictate behavior, but whether or not the government should subsidize behavior that others find objectionable. It's bad enough that the government permits the murder of unborn children, but it is far worse that it forces those who object to such homicide (whether for religious or "moral" reasons) have to pay for it. And the same for contraception. Whether or not you believe in contraception isn't the issue. Whether or not the government should force those who don't to pay for it is.

biru: I agree! Great paragraph.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:12:38 PM PDT
Birutegal says:

Here I have to agree with you because God continually gave his name to be used in the OT. Too bad it was suppressed like this. They think they show honor when, really, they do the opposite who are unwilling to give the name God himself revealed so as to be used.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:13:45 PM PDT
Birutegal says:
Except that Romanism cannot begin to compare to "that old time southern religion."

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:14:59 PM PDT
Birutegal says:
And not only godless, but with scientific arguments against it, which homeschoolers prefer their children learn, along with the basics of the philosophy of evolution.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:15:03 PM PDT
I have to pay taxes for nondefensive wars and capital punishment even though both are against my moral values.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:15:54 PM PDT
Birutegal says:
s. fried,

i agree. This is a topic for another thread.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:19:37 PM PDT
Brainstorming can be fun.

You are right, the bullies do need help and intervention early. They essentially enjoy the suffering of others, a psycho or sociopathic trait. I fear that waiting too long may mean that no help is possible.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:21:14 PM PDT
Birutegal says:

Good God! God was already "shove(d)" into the Dec. of Ind. from which the fundamental ideas of the Constitution were gleaned.

Your post is nothing but an angry, ugly, racist-type screed for the atheists and the leftists.

Evangelicals, in fact, do NOT "make up a huge hunk of the electorate." If they did, Obama would never have made it, though he made it by a narrow margin, and thanks to the black vote which was almost solely based on race when you learn that over 90% blacks voted for him. Conservatives vote values, not race or creed.

Yours is a hateful, mocking, sneery post. Consider yourself outed, you bigot.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 9:28:39 PM PDT
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