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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 20, 2012 11:26:04 AM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
'probabilist,

As chance would have it, I just posted this on another Thread:
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Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Jun 20, 2012 11:04:17 AM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:

Alexandra,

I found this quote very telling:

"...Last week, when I wrote about the alleged offense, David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, parsed why a parent might overreact in the case of sexual abuse: "We have an instinctual desire to protect our kids," says Finkelhor. "A sexual threat is seen as a mortal threat against their future and their reputation. It is almost like a trigger where we are completely entitled to feel righteous anger."..."

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/20/why-a-texas-dad-who-killed-his-daughters-alleged-rapist-wont-face-charges/#ixzz1yM8VdxCZ

A "moral threat against their reputation" against which men believe they are "completely entitled to feel righteous anger". That sounds very close to the mindset of the man from Northern India who decapitated his daughter for being sexually active after divorcing her husband. IOW, Finkelhor seems to think this father's extreme reaction was more about his daughter's "lost virginity" than her psychological trauma. That, and he felt he had moral justification to unleash his fury without normal social controls.

I don't know if that was the reason for this father's blow-out or not-- he may have been a sexual abuse survivor himself who reacted in rage and horror because of his empathy with his daughter. But the fact that Finkelhor considered this a plausible explanation shows the belief that "improper" female sexuality is a defilement still underlies our thinking about child sexual abuse.
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The desire to keep women from having control of their bodies and sex lives seems driven by something very powerful on a subconscious level. If you think about it, 90% of the Culture War is the fight to keep everyone but straight men's sexual expression trammelled. I sometimes wonder if "religious belief" is a pretext, rather than the real motive.

Posted on Jun 20, 2012 11:54:18 AM PDT
D. Thomas says:
Another worthless OP that should be allowed to die a natural death.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 20, 2012 12:15:27 PM PDT
blueskies says:
The father in question may also have killed the other man and claimed to be doing it because his victim was molesting his daughter. He got off from the charge, because of the high emotional content of the topic. It was in Texas, I think. It isn't about the value of female sexuality,either. The parents in the Sandusky case are also outraged, as anyone would be. (It was very shocking to most people that an alleged rape was committed in the shower and was not reported or acted upon)

Posted on Jun 20, 2012 1:12:27 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
D. Thomas: Another worthless OP that should be allowed to die a natural death.
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I agree. The above posts about the Texas father who killed the molester are worthy of discussion, but not here. Please re-post that somewhere appropriate and let this troll topic die.

Posted on Jun 21, 2012 9:18:49 AM PDT
Let me guess------ the sky being blue instead of pink is an effrontery. The fact that it is called, of all things, a 'sun' is an offense.

Posted on Jun 22, 2012 12:23:16 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012 3:41:24 PM PDT
SinSeeker says:
Funny - no.
Pathetic - yes.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 11:50:46 PM PDT
For sure.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 3:20:08 AM PDT
SinSeeker says:
So you're agreeing that you're pathetic? A rare spark of self awareness?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 8:12:16 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 8:15:50 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 9:39:03 AM PDT
conserva...

I suspect that Mr. Soetoro has heard, and believes, "what's sauce for the goose..." although he seems pretty focused on the female gender. I've always found this a puzzle: straight men are supposed to love women but, so often, their "love" bears a very bitter flavor. I know some of it is "just guy-talk" but, again, it's such a predictable part of straight-guy humor and chumminess.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:52:11 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:58:16 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2012 11:00:32 AM PDT
Mr. Soetoro,

Yours: "Do you truly believe that a guy protecting his daughter and a guy that chops his daughter's head off are kindred spirits?"

Mine: What are you talking about? Your question appears to come from way, way beyond left field. Not only is it not in the same ball park, it's not on the same continent.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:59:48 AM PDT
Charles F. Mielke says:
'...straight men are supposed to love women but, so often, their "love" bears a very bitter flavor.'
Charles, maybe that is why so many women have gay men for friends. No baggage of that kind.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:59:52 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2012 11:20:11 AM PDT
Agreed. Beyond the pale.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 11:18:47 AM PDT
moongirl,

I think you may be right about that.

As I wrote my comments to conservalibertarian, I kept bumping against the recognition that, in a phrase, "familiarity breeds contempt" and thinking about the ironic kinds of appreciation we have for the objects of our affection. I'll surmise that, for a straight woman, it's gratifying to be seen as attractive, adorable, lovable, and all that but, also, to be valued for ONLY those traits becomes tedious -- even stifling. Guys, too, resent having to be a narrow set of "masculine" descriptors: strong, rugged, hard-working, etc.

A friend from outside the mainstream can recognize the other things we need to be and scratch the itch we didn't know we had. They can tell us we're smart and strong, or generous and healing, when those are things we need to hear.

I love men but I also recognize our inherent "rough edges:" our ego-centrism, our emotional frailty, our social insensitivity, our inability to "step outside ourselves." It's just amazing that such foibles so rarely hit two people at the same time, thus facilitating their relationship.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 9:34:42 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
> Guys, too, resent having to be
> a narrow set of "masculine" descriptors:
> strong, rugged, hard-working, etc.

Aye.

Posted on Aug 16, 2012 2:16:40 AM PDT
"He and his straight, white, male, Christian buds get together and, after they don their hoods and burn a cross, they take a vote. "

Nicely done.

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Posted on Aug 16, 2012 2:28:05 AM PDT
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Posted on Aug 16, 2012 3:03:05 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2012 3:20:12 AM PDT
NeoPaganBaby - "Why do you put out antagonistic Christian bait to attract them?"

So he can think he's being persecuted for being a Christian. The Bible is pretty frank that Christians would be persecuted and hated by the world. Some Christians are willing to be a jerk on purpose to elicit a harsh reaction, so they can take that response as validation of the authenticity and intensity of their Christianity.
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