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Douay Rheims--Ecclesiaticus


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In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 6:42:01 AM PDT
J. G. Lewis says:
TKK: On Prov. 2:1-5 ... I agree with you here that the knowledge of God is not at all very easily attainable...He deigns it to those whomsoever He will...to those who truly seek after Him... a dimension or way of understanding, related to the spiritual...I agree with you here, I believe.
- John

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 6:48:03 AM PDT
J. G. Lewis says:
TKK: How about this: The fear of the Lord is the lightning bolt which illuminates and enlivens, knowledge. - JGL

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 7:25:25 AM PDT
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Rubedo says:
TheKingsKid says:
Lol...Muy bien dicho! Estoy de acuerdo!

Cinco:
I did a little help at a group home. The residents were not always wise but still wiser than many with greater intellectual gifts.

On John's illumination and wisdom I am reminded of the three ways or states: Purgative, Illuminative, and Unitive, beginning with the eradication of bad habits and the cultivation of the virtues, moving on to the illumination of the mind by meditation and contemplation, and culminating in unitive love.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 7:29:48 AM PDT
... and some people lack knowledge, and address that lack by denigrating the knowledge of others, especially when the knowledge of others conflicts with their cherished beliefs.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 8:12:15 AM PDT
JL: I agree with you here that the knowledge of God is not at all very easily attainable...He deigns it to those whomsoever He will...to those who truly seek after Him... a dimension or way of understanding, related to the spiritual...I agree with you here, I believe.

TKK: Jesus is "the way" to reach the "knowledge of God". The "knowledge of God" is the initial LEVEL of understanding...understanding. Each level is a truth. You get to higher levels by mastering those truths.

I know you probably don't get what I'm saying right now but I think I'm telling you because you will...look for truth. Don't get side-tracked by worldly matters, philosophy, and who said what...what shouldn't be, and the like--none of that matters...they are distractions.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 8:28:26 AM PDT
'probabilist says:
TKK wrote:

> Being known by God is the most important knowledge of all.

It would seem difficult, perhaps impossible, to avoid being known by God...

Prob

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 8:33:05 AM PDT
Cinco: I did a little help at a group home. The residents were not always wise but still wiser than many with greater intellectual gifts.

TKK: I volunteered at a few shelters. One in particular, a homeless shelter in Denver...some of them were families. The first night that I went to work there, THEY were concerned with MY comfort! I was absolutely astounded...they offered me out of the little that they had! I tried to give them money but they wouldn't take it. They didn't want anything other than to make sure I was taken care of! I never even knew that such a thing existed. My heart was so moved with compassion for them--I learned selflessness from them.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 8:35:37 AM PDT
Prob:It would seem difficult, perhaps impossible, to avoid being known by God...

Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 12:08:55 PM PDT
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J. G. Lewis says:
TKK:

Allright. - JL

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 12:13:36 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2010 3:10:42 PM PDT
J. G. Lewis says:
TKK: Homeless shelter people and families being concerned with your comfort first! (Remarkable.) Matthew 11: 25-30
-JL

Posted on May 28, 2010 3:05:50 PM PDT
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J. G. Lewis says:
Cinco de Mayo: Why not join our discussion group here (regularly)? You might want to purchase yourself a Douay-Rheims translation of the book of Ecclesiasticus (also known as Sirach).
[Amazon had a nice paperback version, but they are temporarily out of them; however, TKK may publish each chapter as we go along, anyway, directly from the Douay-Rheims.]
Prob: Will you be reading with us?
TKK: Would a leisurely pace of one chapter a week be OK?
-JL

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2010 3:22:35 PM PDT
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Posted on May 29, 2010 12:55:01 PM PDT
J. G. Lewis says:
"...as the mind loses itself in the contemplation of the material phenomena which surround it, and of the uniform laws by which they are regulated, it becomes less and less capable of realizing the presence of any unseen power at work in the world... And it is this very tendency of the intellect, when left to itself, that induced St. Paul to break out into his impassioned declamation against the wisdom which, with all its penetration, only ended with denying the very source from which it was itself derived. [on 1 Cor.1:18-31]
- Henry Harris, preached before Oxford University; published, 1874

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2010 1:43:53 PM PDT
JL:

Good post

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 1:48:24 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
'probabilist,
The KJV of 1604 included the Apocrypha. It was not removed until the edition of 1629. ISBN 0-19-283525-4 is in print with the Apocrypha.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 1:59:53 PM PDT
J. G. Lewis says:
TKK: Though I have ordered my Douay-Rheims Ecclesiasticus, it has not yet arrived; and this might be true for others on our thread. Shall we commence with chapter 2 then?
-JL

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 2:02:50 PM PDT
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'probabilist says:
Mens Sana wrote:

> The KJV of 1604 included the Apocrypha.
> It was not removed until the edition of 1629.
> ISBN 0-19-283525-4 is in print with the Apocrypha.

Thanks, Mens Sana! Very helpful. I didn't know that.

Prob

P.S. I've included a link to it, below.

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The Bible: Authorized King James Version with Apocrypha

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 3:31:46 PM PDT
Eutychus II says:
There is some confusion here. The KJV originally, back in 1611, did contain "The Apocrypha" one book of which is Ecclesaticus/Ben Sirach as well as the canonical book Ecclesiastes (Qoholet in Hebrew). The former book has regularly been part of the Deuterocanonical books accepted by Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, but rejected by Protestants. So eventually, most Protestant bibles ceased to have the Apocrypha, likely for a marketing reason: printers could make and sell a less expensive edition of the Bible if they just omitted the Apocrypha! Today, the easiest place for a Protestant to get access to both books is in one of the RSV, NRSV, NEV, or REV bibles that has the Apocrypha with the books grouped together after the OT or in a Catholic Edition with the books dispersed among the books all regard as canonical, essentially as published the the Catholic transations such as NAB and NJB.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 3:43:28 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
Thanks for the clarification, Eutychus II.

P

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version

Posted on May 31, 2010 7:36:09 PM PDT
To anyone who knows...Is knowing the exact date of when the books of the bible were removed a product of wisdom or worldly knowledge?

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 7:51:08 PM PDT
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'probabilist says:
What I got from the posts by Mens Sana and Eutychus II was the very interesting information that there _is_ a KJV version of Ecclesiasticus (Sirach).

Which means (for me, at least) that a parallel reading of the KJV and Douay-Rheims versions might be illuminating, at some point.

All the best,

P

Posted on May 31, 2010 7:56:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2010 7:56:38 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
For those who don't have a printed copy of the Douay-Rheims Bible, this URL leads to a web site that shows Ecclesiasticus in English (Douay-Rheims translation) in parallel with the same verses in Latin (the Latin Vulgate that was used as the source material for the Douay-Rheims).

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http://www.latinvulgate.com/verse.aspx?t=0&b=26

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 8:20:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2010 8:28:22 PM PDT
Prob: What I got from the posts by Mens Sana and Eutychus II was the very interesting information that there _is_ a KJV version of Ecclesiasticus (Sirach).

TKK: It is somewhat "curious" that some would rather discuss the "who, what, where,why and when" of the removal of the book rather than the content of the book.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 8:30:35 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
Understanding context is always of value, in my opinion.

,.-)

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2010 8:33:55 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
Hi, John -

In chapter 2, verse 2, what is meant by "in the time of clouds"?

Thanks,

Prob

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"Humble thy heart, and endure: incline thy ear, and receive the words of understanding: and make not haste in the time of clouds."

- Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 2:2
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