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Why Are Atheists So Obsessed With Religion?


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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 9:15:34 AM PST
Spinoza says:
Old Timer writes: Without a god or moral convictions, atheists can do what they please. Rape, steal, kill etc. If people are just advanced animals, they can act like animals without any sort of conscience.

Spinoza says:

It would be interesting to see some hard figures on the percentage of rapists, larcenists, burglars, thieves, and murderers who are atheists as opposed to people expressing belief in some faith, religion or deity.

I'm betting more of these crimes are committed by theists, as both a hard figure and as a percentage of the population. If I'm right, which I believe I am, that would demonstrate that there is no correlation between moral behavior and belief in a deity or adherence to a religious code of moral behavior.

I'm just curious as to why you would consider a person with no belief in a deity somehow an "advanced animal" as opposed to yourself, of course, whom we assume, then, is fully human and superior.

I think such a person would hardly be an "advanced animal." I think such a person would be a fully human person just like yourself, without a belief in God.

Without moral behavior based upon a moral code, human beings would commit all sorts of atrocities? I would agree, but I don't think this is all of what your are saying.

What you are saying is that, without a belief in a deity, we cannot have a moral code or moral behavior in the first place. I think you are wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 9:20:33 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 9:24:10 AM PST
AxeGrrl says:
Spinoza wrote: "If I'm right, which I believe I am, that would demonstrate that there is no correlation between moral behavior and belief in a deity or adherence to a religious code of moral behavior."
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I think it's safe to say that history has _already_ proved you to be correct.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 9:26:01 AM PST
sfon says:
dischism says: "As usual, an excellent post, AxeGrrl."

Agreed. AxeGrrl's posts are always excellent.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 9:58:57 AM PST
S. Friedman says:
Doc,
I don't understand your response.
You asked if atheism offered those answers, and I replied that no, my atheism doesn't offer those answers.

There's no claim that it does, no claim of anything scientific, no claim of insight or intelligence, and certainly no claim of being my own demigod (whatever that means).

All it does mean is that I don't believe your claims that any gods exist.
Anything else you read into that says more about you than it does me.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 10:05:20 AM PST
Was this post satire, an attempt at irony or humor, or are you being sincere?

I honestly can't tell which was your original intent.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 12:31:39 PM PST
Doctor says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 12:37:07 PM PST
Doctor says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 12:42:55 PM PST
Doctor says:
S. Friedman says:

Doc,
I don't understand your response.
You asked if atheism offered those answers, and I replied that no, my atheism doesn't offer those answers.

so it doesn't apply to you

peace

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 12:57:05 PM PST
J. Russell says:
Old Timer says:

The point is, atheist is a misnomer. Atheists do worship a god, themselves. Without a god or moral convictions, atheists can do what they please. Rape, steal, kill etc. If people are just advanced animals, they can act like animals without any sort of conscience.

My Response:
Funny how as an atheist I don't "act like an animal without any sort of conscience" and no atheist I know acts that way.
BUT the scary thing is that what he is REALLY saying is that IF HE did not believe in a God with eternal punishment HE would act that way

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 3:01:06 PM PST
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Nick says:
Doctor writes: scientist Dr. John Ross (not a creationist) affirms ...

Nick: Well, I suppose you've just confirmed you are not more complex than you were the day your parents conceived you.

And does it not bother you that the quoted material is from a letter to the magazine, not an actual article (in other words, not peer-reviewed). I suppose that wouldn't bother you, nor would the quote-mining bother you.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2012 8:22:09 PM PST
Re Doctor, various posts: Every time you claim that the 2d law applies to open systems, or that there is evidence refuting evolution, you do nothing except to further demonstrate your ignorance of the subject. Do you get off somehow on being shown to be a fool?

Posted on Feb 25, 2012 4:50:30 PM PST
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Posted on Feb 25, 2012 5:28:58 PM PST
NakkiNyan says:
I am not obsessed with religion, I am bothered by the horrible effects it has on society. The "good" people say it does for people does not outweigh the bad. Just look at how much politics is driven by religion in the wrong direction and how much of the my god can beat up your god is in the current campaigning. How about the states that can't do scientific research based on whether or not a few cells may have a soul or not. If someone wants to believe, fine, but they can't let it effect me in any way or we have problems.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2012 5:44:24 PM PST
MaryAnn H. says:
"If someone wants to believe, fine, but they can't let it effect me in any way or we have problems."

This is where theists have a one sided view of the separation of church and state. The state may not interfere with religion or impose a state religion on the people, may not tax the income or property of a church and can suspend laws in favor of the church, however (especially of late) the religious feel they have the absolute right to legislate their beliefs, interfere with medical decisions and impose their view of societal morality on all citizens. It appears to be a win win for religion.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 2:13:56 AM PST
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>>"MaryAnn H. says:
This is where theists have a one sided view of the separation of church and state. The state may not interfere with religion or impose a state religion on the people, may not tax the income or property of a church and can suspend laws in favor of the church, however (especially of late) the religious feel they have the absolute right to legislate their beliefs, interfere with medical decisions and impose their view of societal morality on all citizens. "<<

Absolutely.

And I even thought that they (the religionist faction in America) were trying not to be too outward in their wish for the state to conform to the dictates of religion....

....but Santorum's (sickening, ignorant) remarks today dispelled that notion!.....not only do the religiwackos desperately desire to have THEIR particular religion inform and direct the workings of our political system, they are now coming right out and publicly stating it, as if it was something to be proud of!

Incredible.

Posted on Feb 28, 2012 4:41:37 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 5:35:20 AM PST
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For Critical Thinker:

I agree with you entirely. Santorum is a scary fellow right now. He is thumping that Bible pretty hard to persuade religious whackos to vote for him. They believe the government is their church, and he wants to help them. I could hardly believe it when he attacked Kennedy for voicing a rational opinion about how religion should be separate from government. I so fear theocratic governments. Santorum ain't no President Kennedy in the brain department.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 5:57:48 AM PST
Bubba says:
At least Santa appears and shows His face once a year.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 6:02:05 AM PST
Bubba says:
There is memory wire woven into the bed linens. Body heat causes the wire to relax and the linens become pliable; when the body heat is removed, the wire gradually returns to it's set shape and the linens are put back into their proper place, thus making the bed.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 6:03:17 AM PST
MaryAnn H. says:
I am still holding out a wild hope, Lawrence, that Santorum is someone's idea of a good joke and has been put in place to make someone, anyone, else look good. The sheer insanity of his statements!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 6:04:04 AM PST
Joe W says:
*Joe give Bubba a cookie. And a bow.*

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 8:51:39 AM PST
Doctor says:
Nicj,

Prove that you understand the 2nd law well enough to prove that it does not apply to "open systems".

Good Luck

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 8:52:35 AM PST
Oh yes, MaryAnn H.,

I am starting to think the Republicans are doing their best to elect anyone else but themselves. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 8:54:37 AM PST
Doctor says:
Robert,

All you need to do is prove that the 2nd law does not apply to open systems. Any other reply is is usless in supporting your view.

Do you even know the thesis of Haldane's Delemia ?

Get "Genetic Entrophy" by Sanford. He will explain it so even you can understand.
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