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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:22:15 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
In the very first sentence of this book the authors describe atheists as people who, "have reached the conclusion that there is no God, no supernatural being of any kind. Nothing."

As that is an extremely limited definition of atheism, and not applicable to most atheists, everything that follows that is suspect.

Try harder.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:26:32 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
The book is garbage, but I'm curious why you think that a "Roman government report" regarding "the Gospels" would be empirical evidence for the existence of the god named God, or any god. I might - MIGHT - be evidence for the life of a man named Jesus, but that is a really, really long way from "empirical evidence for God."

We know a great deal about the life of Mohammed. That isn't evidence for God either. Ditto Joseph Smith.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:30:55 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
"I decided to try and become atheist a few years ago, "

What a funny idea. Did it work?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:32:59 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
"...such sources would make a much stronger case for the divinity of Jesus, and an atheist who is as open-minded as they claim to be would have to acknowledge that."

Acknowledged and I agree. Of course, we don't actually HAVE anything like that now, do we?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:56:22 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
Me too...I'm in suspense and will hopefully have an answer as I continue to read down here, though I suspect you'll just be insulted or something along with a subject change.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:58:18 AM PDT
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WolfPup says:
None of this makes much sense. What do you mean by "decided to try and become an atheist"? You either have a belief that gods exist or you don't. I certainly didn't try to become an atheist, or even WANT to become an atheist.

And what do you mean by "there has been no progress made in recent years"? How can there be "progress" in lacking a belief in something?

The only progress to be made here would be if someone's come up with credible evidence that gods exist.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 7:58:21 AM PDT
Ponger says:
With all of the miracles Jesus reportedly performed it would be expected people would have made note of it. The Bible's NT was put together by committess with most of it being done more than a 100 years after Jesus died. Even the first four books were done 50 to 80 years after he died and even the Vatican agrees we don't know who wrote the first four books which are the foundation of the NT. How could we not know who wrote the foundation of such an important thing? Answer is that all holy books are put together to promote a religion and help cilivilize people. THe NT's virgin birth, resurrection, son of god saving mankind, are all features of previous religions. Isn't that curious? Why don't you believe the Koran?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 1:05:35 PM PDT

You 'tried' to become an atheist? That's like me 'trying' to become a theist, phoney baloney. You either believe in a deity or you don't. Why should not believing in a deity have a progression? You can make a charge that nothing written about christianity and Jesus have been an improvement over the bible, so what value do they have?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 21, 2012 6:40:10 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
I know, Ponger. Remarkably enough, I learned all this in Catholic school! Look where THAT got me!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 2:48:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 25, 2012 3:01:45 PM PDT
A. Sturzl says:
AxeGrrl says:
"Here's where you go wrong almost immediately ~ atheists don't necessary reject the _possibility_ of the existence of deities. Not being convinced that deities exist doesn't necessitate not being open to the _possibility_."

The general confusion sets in when one fails to consider the problem with your argument is that there IS a large subset of "atheists" who would make the claim (implicitly or abjectly) that God is "impossible" because the individual is unable to separate his personal observations from his notions of probability (i.e. reality). To discuss atheism as "not a worldview" or "belief" demands a clearheaded understanding of the concept which is almost certainly lacking among a substantial proportion of people who are merely aping the context of atheistic intellectual figureheads such as Richard Dawkins. Atheism is not inherently a worldview, a system, or a belief. However, when combined with personal convictions, reverence for intellectual authorities, and self-serving motives (for example, attacking value systems and deities) atheism becomes indistinguishable from a worldview, a system, or a belief.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 2:57:24 PM PDT
A. Sturzl says:
Allen, I'm convinced that my disbelief happened in a progression. I did not set out to dirty my parents idols. I set out to learn about the brain and skepticism and critical thinking and progressively stopped thinking about God as a motivating force.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2012 12:57:13 PM PDT
Bubba says:
They are very proud of that book, it is $50 new or $42.72+ $3.99 shipping for the least expensive used copy.
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