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Do the Mormons have the right to baptize dead people not of their religion


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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:03:33 PM PST
spookiewon says:
There are christians who do not accept the triune god, such as unitarians.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:12:04 PM PST
spookiewon says:
There's a page online where you can turn dead mormons gay, actually. You can enter the name if you know it, or the page will assign you a dead mormon. It's at alldeadmormonsaregay.com I've converted about ten myself.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:20:06 PM PST
spookiewon says:
Why can't people accept that atheists have their own beliefs and leave US alone? Including jews? Violence has been used against us throughout history as well. Nonsense still doesn't hurt you or me.

Posted on Mar 4, 2012 9:21:46 PM PST
jpl says:
Anybody anywhere can believe anything they want.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:24:21 PM PST
spookiewon says:
Heretic maybe. Paganism is a faith.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:29:55 PM PST
spookiewon says:
Well, that would defeat the whole "Real Name" badge, now wouldn't?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:33:06 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 14, 2012 6:57:26 PM PDT
jpl says:
Do the Mormons have the right to baptize dead people not of their religion[?]

J. Schwarz says:
Recently in the news there were instances of Mormons baptizing dead people by proxy who were not of their religion. They baptized Elie Weisels parents and he told them to stop. They agreed. Then they baptized Simon Weisenthals dead parents. Now I just read they baptized Daniel Pearl who was killed by the Muslim fanatics and Anne Frank. Personally I think they have a lot of nerve to baptize people who died who are not of their religion. What do you think of this and if they did it to one of your dead relatives without your permission how would you react?

(jpl: J., you don't get it. You're a believer; I'm not.)

jpl: People can do whatever they want. Nobody can read your mind. You're free to believe any ridiculous belief you want to entertain, regardless of where in the world you live. Nobody knows what you think, and your own thoughts change whether you're aware of it or not.

Posted on Mar 4, 2012 9:39:21 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 4, 2012 9:40:13 PM PST
Schwarz says:

Nonsense or not it is being done, and it is not nonsense to the recipients of these baptisms. They were asked to desist, agreed and the practice continues. Romney did it to his dead father in law from what I understand. Kookiness should be a point of discussion in this presidential race.

You do realize Romney is going up against Obama, who is proIslam and who attended the racist, antiAmerican hate spewing Church of Reverend Wright?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 9:57:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 4, 2012 10:44:56 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
Actually quite embarrassing to gays. Why would they want Mormons to be gay? Maybe if there was a website to make them pagans it might teach them a lesson.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 10:10:32 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 4, 2012 10:11:35 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
In reply to the original post, this is a long-standing practice of LDS. It's an article of faith for them.

I'm not LDS, but I'm also not offended by them practicing this aspect of their religion. It doesn't harm anybody and consequently I see no reason to make this a question of civil "rights" or wrongs.

We don't have the right to tell them what to believe or how to practice their beliefs. There is no civil harm here, no basis for concern, even for those who do not believe as LDS faithful believe.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 10:25:16 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
I understand your viewpoint John, but people have told them to desist, they agreed and continued the practice. They did it to Elie Weisels parents and to him too even after he told them not to do it. If it bothers someone then they should be accepting of that persons feelings and just not do it. Elie Weisel went through too much to have to fall victim to this practice too.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 10:36:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 4, 2012 10:37:18 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
I see you point, J. Schwarz. I hadn't looked at it from that point of view.

Posted on Mar 4, 2012 10:46:58 PM PST
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/mormons-baptize-people-dead-article-1.1031550

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

temples.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 10:52:34 PM PST
venussansfurs's post:
Does polygamy still run rampant with them as well in the fringe groups?
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No, it's not a problem. Polgamny is an excommunicatable offense for LDS member's.

What the apostate fringe groups do is beyond LDS control.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

maps.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 10:58:58 PM PST
venussansfurs's post:
<Actually, the Mormons baptized Hitler posthumously, lol.>

They are nuttier than I thought if they did that.
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It was by accident.

Even Mickey Mouse's name as been submitted and almost made it's way through.

The nuttiest folks are those who perpetrate this upon us.

You know the kind? Those who write in Mickey Mouse on a Presidential ballot. ;-)

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

radio.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:08:56 PM PST
J. Schwarz's post:
I think it was discovered by a former Mormon and whistleblower who outed the practice.
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Baptisms for the dead is no secret. LDS have freely mentioned and disclosed the practice since 1840's. Being ignorant of a fact doesn't mean it's a secret.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

institute.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:12:03 PM PST
venussansfurs's post:
Has no one confronted them about this until now?
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Nope!!!!

Only because Mitt is running for president has it been made a mountain out of a mole hill. Critics coming up with new inventive ideas to try out on us.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

hymns.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:19:55 PM PST
Spinoza's post:
I think it is disrespectful, and just plain bizarre, but I don't think you can stop people from performing a religious rite, even if one of your dead relatives is the purpose of it.
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Christians teach that Jesus Christ died for the sins of EVERY person on this planet. Are you offended by that? Do you not know that that atonement is not effective upon anyone until they accept, repent and believe in Christ?
So, while Christ died for all, it's effective only for believers.

Baptism for the dead is the same. We perform the ordinance in behalf of a deceased, and the deceased has to accept it for it to be of effect in their life.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

youth.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:22:35 PM PST
J. Schwarz's post:
And from what some people have stated they are also doing it to living people without their permission.
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???? How? Sounds more like disillusion folks making said statements. If you have evidence, please provide a link to back it up with.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

store.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:23:20 PM PST
nameinuse says:
Okay but here's the part that I don't get. Why did the Mormons agree to stop baptizing the Jews in 1995 when the Jews confronted them (except in cases where there was actually a family line) and then break their word? Because that seems to be a sticky point on this.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:24:36 PM PST
Irish Lace's post:
It's arrogant, ignorant, insensitive and monumentally stupid.
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And Christ's atonement for every person in the world isn't?

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

JesusChrist.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:29:12 PM PST
Cilantron's post:
No, no, tit for tat would be circumsizing them after they're dead.
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How do you expect to actually do or perform a circumcision?

Do you have any idea what your talking about?

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

mormon.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:30:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 4, 2012 11:31:57 PM PST
nameinuse says:
Well, how it worked on the Colbert show is they had a Jewish proxy hold a hot dog and then circumsized the hot dog.

So back to the other question. What's that about?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:42:31 PM PST
nameinuse's post:
They don't baptize people who've been baptized in other Christian churches and they had a serious campaign to baptize Holocaust Jews.
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We are equal opportunity Baptizers for the dead. ;-) You are wrong thinking we don't baptize other Christians. We baptize for the dead anyone who is an ancestor.

We have NEVER had a serious campaign to baptize holocaust Jews, their names simply showed up and we performed the ordinance. You make it sounds as if we singled out Jews for this. That is NOT the case.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

mormontabernaclechoir.org

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 4, 2012 11:45:33 PM PST
Mark R. Allen's post:
They have never baptized a muslim. Talk about the courage of their convictions.
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Proof? Your smoking some good stuff there.

If a Muslim joins the LDS church, and does genealogical research on his ancestor, they can do Baptisms for the dead for their ancestors. I am sure some have been done.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

maps.lds.org
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