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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 1:29:00 AM PDT
Sarah wrote: "If Jesus really claimed he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences, he was tragically mistaken and misled a lot of people. Did he actually say that he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences? In what verse? "
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The whole Jewish scripture taught that Messiah would be the redeemer; however, it had to be through Christ's revelation to apostle Paul that it would be accomplished through the Cross. This can explain why the Jew's religion stressed works to be done, but Paul stressed the grace of God , not mixed with our works of the law.(See Galatians.)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:06:46 AM PDT
Isaiah says:
Gerald Nichols: I am not a Jew, I am a bible believer. I largely agree, based on the bible with what Pace has written. When Peter and the apostles addressed Israel in Acts 2 and following, the point was that they had killed "the Prince of life" ; however, they were urged to believe in WHO JESUS WAS, to be saved. Though thousands did believe, the nation rejected the truth, and thus-- the 12 apostles commission became inoperative as God turned to the Gentiles through Saul/Paul.

S Good. Then you can call off all your misguided missionaries who wrongheadedly try to convert Jews.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:07:42 AM PDT
Isaiah says:
Sarah wrote: "If Jesus really claimed he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences, he was tragically mistaken and misled a lot of people. Did he actually say that he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences? In what verse? "
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GN: The whole Jewish scripture taught that Messiah would be the redeemer;

S No, it didn't. In fact, the whole Jewish scripture never even uses the word "messiah" to mean an ultimate redeemer who would appear someday. Not once.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 11:36:14 AM PDT
roundaboutte says:
Jesus did teach forgivness of sins.How can you be forgiven? If you dont forgive others.He said.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 12:05:11 PM PDT
Isaiah says:
>S: Did he actually say that he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences? In what verse?

Round: Jesus did teach forgivness of sins.How can you be forgiven? If you dont forgive others.He said.

S In other words, not only do you not have an answer, but you apparently did not even understand the very simple, straightforward question.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 12:10:18 PM PDT
roundaboutte says:
I think he did what he did.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 12:12:17 PM PDT
Isaiah says:
I'm sure you do. And I think you did what you did. and I did what I did. So what?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 12:26:46 PM PDT
roundaboutte says:
Sarah,You are very smart.I do what I do. You do what you do. No harm done. But Ill have to say If I were the man that was given the cross to carry for Jesus I would have run with it and said "This is mine you'll have to get him another" .They would have to run me down to get it. Crucify me on that cross.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 12:30:46 PM PDT
Sarah said:"S Good. Then you can call off all your misguided missionaries who wrongheadedly try to convert Jews. "

Though God interrupted His dealing with Israel as a nation, Paul and the believers tried to reach both Jews and Gentiles with the gospel of grace Christ revealed to Paul.Just clarifying for you.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 3:00:13 PM PDT
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Isaiah says:
>GN: ... the 12 apostles commission became inoperative as God turned to the Gentiles through Saul/Paul.

Sarah said:"S Good. Then you can call off all your misguided missionaries who wrongheadedly try to convert Jews. "

GN: Though God interrupted His dealing with Israel as a nation,

S God what? Did you make that up or are you just repeating Christian mythology about Jews in the expectation I'll believe you instead of believing the Jewish God?

GN Paul and the believers tried to reach both Jews and Gentiles with the gospel of grace Christ revealed to Paul.Just clarifying for you.

S Since we never needed any such gospel and since we don't even believe Gentiles need that gospel, since we believe the Bible's teachings that everyone can turn directly to God at any time, you shouldn't be surprised that Jews didn't rush to sign up. Just clarifying for you.

Next time you're tempted to preach about Judaism to a Jew, remember your own dictum that "the 12 apostles commission became inoperative as God turned to the Gentiles" and stick to preaching to Christians about Christianity, unless you think Paul's commission became inoperative, too.
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 3:50:15 PM PDT
Sarah,
I must have missed where you disclosed that you are a Jew. I might have responded somewhat differently if I had known that but not necessarily,since I yrespondingg with what is found by careful notice of what is said in the bible. BTW: Do you dispute that about 70 ad the Temple was destroyed and Jews dispersed in the world?
I am not talking from an "anti-Jewish" viewpoint since my reading of the bible tells me God doesn't distinguish between Jew and Gentile today; each is offered salvation by faith in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection.

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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:02:13 PM PDT
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Isaiah says:
GN Sarah, I must have missed where you disclosed that you are a Jew.

S "disclosed" that I am a Jew? It is some sort of secret information concerning which I am required to make an announcement? Most people around here know I'm Jewish and now you've figured it out, too, since it was perfectly clear. Or would you like a formal "disclosure"? OK. Sure. Why not?

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GN: I might have responded somewhat differently if I had known that but not necessarily,since I yrespondingg with what is found by careful notice of what is said in the bible.

S Then what is your problem?

GN: BTW: Do you dispute that about 70 ad the Temple was destroyed and Jews dispersed in the world?

S BTW, do you dispute that about 70 CE the Roman invaders destroyed Jerusalem and hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives? And do you dispute that over the next seventy years the Roman Empire murdered millions of Jews? Do you realize what that means? Either Jesus made existing problems with a cruel foreign Occupation Authority worse or, at best, Jesus was totally useless. Assuming he really existed.

GN: I am not talking from an "anti-Jewish" viewpoint since my reading of the bible tells me God doesn't distinguish between Jew and Gentile today; each is offered salvation by faith in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection.

S No, this is not the case. My reading of the Jewish Bible tells me that Jesus is irrelevant and unnecessary. Jews don't need him. Gentiles don't need him. Nobody needs him. Read your copy of the Bible.

Genesis 28:15 Know that I am with you; I will protect you wherever you go, and bring you back to this land. I will never leave you until I have done what I promised you.

2 Sam 22:31 The way of God is perfect, The word of the LORD is pure. He is a shield to all who take refuge in Him.

Psalms 145:18 God is near to all who call unto Him, to all who call on him in truth.

Psalm 84:5 You are forgiving and good, O Lord, abounding in love to all who call to you.

Is. 55:7 Let the scoundrel forsake his way, and the wicked man his thoughts; Let him turn to the LORD for mercy; to our God, who is generous in forgiving.

Psa. 86:5 Lord, you are kind and forgiving, most loving to all who call on you.

Proverbs 16:6 By kindness and piety guilt is expiated, and by the fear of the LORD man avoids evil.

For I know well the plans I have in mind for you, says the LORD, plans for your welfare, not for woe! plans to give you a future full of hope. When you call me, when you go to pray to me, I will listen to you. When you look for me, you will find me. Yes, when you seek me with all your heart, you will find me with you, says the LORD, and I will change your lot; I will gather you together from all the nations and all the places to which I have banished you, says the LORD, and bring you back to the place from which I have exiled you (Jeremiah 29:11-14).

Only the one who sins shall die. The son shall not be charged with the guilt of his father, nor shall the father be charged with the guilt of his son. The virtuous man's virtue shall be his own, as the wicked man's wickedness shall be his. But if the wicked man turns away from all the sins he committed, if he keeps all my statutes and does what is right and just, he shall surely live, he shall not die. None of the crimes he committed shall be remembered against him; he shall live because of the virtue he has practiced. Do I indeed derive any pleasure from the death of the wicked? says the Lord GOD. Do I not rather rejoice when he turns from his evil way that he may live? (Ezekiel 18:20-23).

As God says through Hosea: For it is love that I desire, not sacrifice, and knowledge of God rather than holocausts. Hosea 6:6

And Jesus agrees. In fact, he quotes Hosea, although without giving him credit:

Go and learn the meaning of the words, `I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' I did not come to call the righteous but sinners." Matthew 9:13

If you knew what this meant, `I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned these innocent men. Matthew 12:7

In fact, that is all Jesus says about the subject of sacrifice. That is his teaching about sacrifice. Jesus would never be a Christian. He would probably never even understand Christianity. I certainly don't.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 9:01:17 PM PDT
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B. Josephson says:
round: If I were the man that was given the cross to carry for Jesus I would have run with it and said "This is mine you'll have to get him another" .They would have to run me down to get it. Crucify me on that cross.

Response: Lucky for us you weren't there, otherwise the whole plan would have been messed up.

Has anyone besides me seen the Mad TV episode where the Terminator keeps trying to save Jesus, and Jesus gets mad at him?

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 9:39:08 PM PDT
Harold Lime says:
I'll have to see if that's up on Youtube. Mad TV had the occasional gems, much like latter day Mad magazine (though neither can compare to the Kurtzman-edited original Mad comic, of course).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 10:05:48 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
It's pretty funny, it has Jesus telling the Terminator "You don't get it as he keeps gunning peole down, and it ends with the Terminator saying: "He'll be back" I know it used to be on YouTube.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2012 2:24:06 AM PDT
dischism says:
B.J.

Here's a URL. I'd not seen this before, she says wiping tears away. Thanks for the laugh. :)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/767537/terminator_jesus/

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2012 7:26:14 AM PDT
Harold Lime says:
That the guy parodying Schwarzenegger is comparatively lean just adds to the humor. Thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 2:41:46 PM PDT
Jrozz says:
Exactly!! Down with Anti-Semitism!
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