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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 1:18:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 7, 2012 3:26:29 AM PDT
S.K.: re: cultural traditions/ customs

You are very right, everyone being the same, with same traditions, would be a fall-off-your-chair-drop-teeth-crashing bore, & what would anyone have to talk about or share?

Re: my lack-of-same:

We were just a family, American of much mixed heritage: typical "mutts." Just a family of "yanks" (to eveyone outside the US.)
So, here's me, a genetic mutt, & a "yank" by country of birth, like everyone else in the neighborhood. That esplains why, I would venture, no one cared what anyone else was or where they worshipped. We just enjoyed friends.
I finally learned as a teen, how to make a decent spaghetti sauce from my highschool best friend, who was of Northern Italian & Mohawk descent. Her family recipe was lovely!

I've enjoyed so much being included in activities with friends from all sorts of ethnicities during earlier years, that I didn't really give thought to my. .muttness..for want of a better term... until I was older. Until events drew my heart to realize I had a deep affinity for the bit of Irish, & the bit of Native American in me.

While my sister was able to trace our genetic Irish roots ( which didn' t go back very far,) no luck with tribal affiliation; a church fire in the 1800's , holding records of our maternal great great grandmother, destroyed her marriage record, which showed whether she married a man of Iroquois or Algonquian blood. By region she'd grown up in, either is likely or possible. Going only by emotional pull, ( which could be reincarnational n my part) I would have guessed some part of the Sioux nation, but regionally speaking, that would've been less likely. My dad wasn't sure if there was any N.A. blood, but my sister looks like mom's mother's family, fair & tiny, I look like dad's father's side. Short, with always long dark hair (as a kid) & with somewhat Indian features.
The folks always said they couldn't pick me out from the Indian
kids I played with at 1 playground they took us to a lot, that was
near a res.
So can't even guess at lineage looking at the 2 of us side by side. (
& yes, we are genetic sisters.) Long story short, any cultural
traditions on my part would need to be adopted, a difficult thing to
narrow down for someone with my eclectic tastes...

(Nothing with me is "long story short," not that one would notice..except my height..) ;o)

(Nancy: bet you already guessed: unaspected -that I recall- merc. in intercepted virgo... tiny added tidbit: virgo mom, pisces dad. & what a story they had!)

-- kindest blessings to you--

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 7:33:14 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
You have an interesting background,Saoirse!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 9:29:59 AM PDT
Minoan Crete is in the Med, and about 8,000 years behind the story time.

Posted on Apr 7, 2012 9:45:59 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 7, 2012 10:01:31 AM PDT
Spinoza says:
How convenient for the promoters of the Atlantis myth that it disappeared forever. That means they don't have to do any of the hard work of studying ancient civilizations directly from the material artifacts left behind. They are free to speculate in any way they wish.

Why anyone would consider Edgar Cayce an expert on the existence of Atlantis, or any other region or civilization, is beyond me.

Plato was probably writing about the destruction of the Minoan civilization (which appeared to be highly mercantile, prosperous, and politically and technologically advanced) by the eruption of Thera, which now exists as the islands of Santorini in the south Aegean.

A remarkably advanced civilization for the time, but not possessing any of the advanced technologies of the present day.

Case closed?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 10:01:17 AM PDT
You don't know if Atlantis is a myth anymore than I do.
The Catch22 of atlantis and any advanced civilization is the more modern,the bigger chance thay can blow themselves to kingdom come!
wait a couple hundered years,survivors of Armagedon will be saying
was there ever a America?

Posted on Apr 7, 2012 10:16:59 AM PDT
It can never be proved that Atlantis never existed. But it may yet be proved that it did.

Posted on Apr 7, 2012 10:18:26 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 7, 2012 12:08:09 PM PDT
Spinoza says:
Michael J. Mason says:

You don't know if Atlantis is a myth anymore than I do.
The Catch22 of atlantis and any advanced civilization is the more modern,the bigger chance thay can blow themselves to kingdom come!
wait a couple hundered years,survivors of Armagedon will be saying
was there ever a America?

Spinoza says:

You should really go back and read my post, rather than assuming I am claiming Atlantis was a myth. I haven't.

What I did state is that I think promoters of the "Atlantis myth," that is, those who promote the idea that Atlantis was a super-advanced civilization (even surpassing that of the present) have it easy. They do not need to engage in the typical research and activities that serious researchers - sociologists, archeologists, paleontologists, etc., - have to engage in.

All they need do is speculate. The dishonesty is that they present their speculation (much of it so incredible and fantastic it is simply beyond belief) as fact, despite having no evidence.

What I have said is that I think the "myth of Atlantis" is probably a description of a real event- the Thera explosion - and that Atlantis, far from being mythical, is based upon a real historical event.

What is mythical are all the impossible claims made by those who wish, for whatever reason, to promote an unreasonable and unrealistic conception of what Atlantis might have been.

Again, as far as I know, Edgar Cayce had no special knowledge or expertise in the subject of Atlantis that would persuade me that his musings on the subject have any validity whatsoever, and they can therefore be safely ignored.

I have no doubt that the overnight destruction of the United States in a swift, complete, Armageddon-style event would probably produce the same range of carefully reasoned research to wild speculation that Atlantis has. The future inhabitants of such a theoretical world would have plenty of evidence of the existence of the United States and its civilization. They might well conclude that, in comparison with themselves, we possessed a higher and more advanced level of technology than they currently do, and, if such an Armageddon did reduce the sophistication of their technological achievements, would rightfully conclude that our current technology was in advance of their own.

It would be a gross mistake, however, for such future researchers to conclude that we possessed the technology of interstellar space travel, time machines, or Star Trek style replicators. If they were to do so, they would be doing no differently than promoters of the Atlantis myth do now, and they would be just as mistaken in their assumptions and speculations.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 10:25:17 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 7, 2012 10:40:26 AM PDT
Astrocat says:
Saoirse, the 4th house Leo Stellium, what planets does that include?

I do not have a "math head" either, and it took me days of intense concentration before I could wrap my head around logarithms. Now that there are so many great software programs I use them, instead, so doubt I could even remember how to do the math the way I used to.

I think we choose the time to be born to give us exactly the energies we need to fulfill the soul goal for this incarnation, so I'm sure your chart gives you lots of opportunity. An Ascendant and Saturn t-square ought to give you lots of will-power and the ability to stand your ground in the middle of incredible turmoil.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this thread more than any previous ones I've been on. I hope we can continue to post and remain calm and accepting of all our varying opinions and understandings.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 10:28:25 AM PDT
Astrocat says:
Saoirse, I'm curious about your interceptions. I have Aries and Libra intercepted, and have to work really hard to understand what natives of either sign are trying to say or accomplish. Aries is in my tenth house, so my career life has been varied, at best, with me having no clear idea of what I really wanted to do, and taking just about any job that was offered. I'VE had lots of fascinating experiences and learned an incredible amount because of that, and I've always been slightly in awe of people who knew exactly what they wanted to do as far as their careers were concerned.

So how do you get along with Virgo and Pisces natives and what houses are intercepted?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 12:05:14 PM PDT
Spinoza says:
Jeff Marzano says:

Things become problematic when people take something that someone wrote and they say they meant something else. The burden of proof is on the the people who make those claims.

Spinoza says:

Things become problematic when people make wild speculations as to the existence of a continent in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean that allegedly had far more advanced technology than our own, when they make claims that our present notions of gods and goddesses are really misinterpretations of the monarchs of said continent, and when they make claims that Atlantis was the cradle of civilization, based upon no other evidence than a story in Plato's Timaeus and Critias, written in 360 BC, thousands of years after the alleged events described.

The burden of proof, as always, lays upon those making these claims, not those challenging them.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 12:26:51 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 7, 2012 12:28:49 PM PDT
Spinoza says:
Spiritual Architect says:

Minoan Crete is in the Med, and about 8,000 years behind the story time.

Spinoza says:

Which would make it even more likely that Plato was discussing a true myth with no basis in reality.

The advantage of considering the Theran eruption as the source of the Atlantis myth is that it is far more contemporaneous with Plato than any event that occurred in 9600 BC, almost 10,000 years before Plato was even born. Even a historical and philosophical genius like Plato would have been hard-pressed to accurately describe such an event. What could he have possibly known about it? Where is the correlation with an actual historical event?

Plato does NOT describe Atlantis as being in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. In Timaeus and Critias, it is described as "lying in front of the Pillars of Hercules" which would put it just outside the Mediterranean, near the Strait of Gilbraltar.

Plato also describes the Atlantean civilization as having "conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa 9,000 years before the time of Solon," or approximately 9600 BC. Unfortunately, we have no other historical references to such a conquering civilization, nor that many parts of Western Europe and Africa were conquered by them.

Who knows? People in the future may base their conceptions of Atlantis on Donovan's song of the same name, and they'll be just as wrong as present-day speculators on Atlantis, and Plato.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 4:22:44 PM PDT
good point S.A.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 1:09:34 AM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Well if it ever is proved, tell me.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 8:28:30 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Nancy: I think we choose the time to be born to give us exactly the energies we need to fulfill the soul goal for this incarnation, so I'm sure your chart gives you lots of opportunity.

SK: I have to wonder about this assertion considering someof the truly horrifying circumstances that some babies are born into. Does any pre-existent soul (if there is such a thing) really "choose" to be born into abject poverty, to parents who are abusive, or with severe birth defects? Do you think that's a choice?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 9:05:30 AM PDT
Spinoza says:
S. Kessler says:

Nancy: I think we choose the time to be born to give us exactly the energies we need to fulfill the soul goal for this incarnation, so I'm sure your chart gives you lots of opportunity.

SK: I have to wonder about this assertion considering someof the truly horrifying circumstances that some babies are born into. Does any pre-existent soul (if there is such a thing) really "choose" to be born into abject poverty, to parents who are abusive, or with severe birth defects? Do you think that's a choice?

Spinoza says:

Like most, Nancy does not think through to the ultimate consequences of her beliefs, especially the negative ones. That is why she doesn't seem to realize that the concept of reincarnation is one of the most evil and life-denying religious concepts ever devised by human beings.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 10:31:57 AM PDT
Astrocat says:
S., we choose the circumstances needed for the lessons to be learned, for the opportunities to serve others. Karma is not as straight-forward as some may think, and some of the experiences we have are due directly to karma from any number of past incarnations, though not all karma is a direct reaction to personal activities, but can be a reaction to the activities of the group we were incarnated into. For instance, white people in this country (USA), will automatically reap the karma due for the horrific experiences of the slaves and the Native Americans, while Germans will have to pay for what was done to the Jews, the Gypsies, the handicapped, the mentally ill, and so on. Even if said Germans did nothing individually to incur that karma, they have reincarnated into that group to help work it off.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 12:02:37 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Yikes! So all white people in America are going to pay for slavery? Even the ones who fought against it? Even the ones like me whose parents didn't even immigrate here until almost 100 years after slavery ended? Gee. Who'da thunk it?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 1:25:38 PM PDT
Spinoza says:
Nancy Davison says:

For instance, white people in this country (USA), will automatically reap the karma due for the horrific experiences of the slaves and the Native Americans, while Germans will have to pay for what was done to the Jews, the Gypsies, the handicapped, the mentally ill, and so on. Even if said Germans did nothing individually to incur that karma, they have reincarnated into that group to help work it off.

Spinoza says:

Precisely the kind of irrational, antediluvian nonsense that led me to become an atheist.

I doubt Nancy realizes that there are several fallacies inherent in her statement, because, once again, she is spouting dogma. It's New Age irrational dogma, but dogma all the same.

One fallacy is that of the myth of "guilt by association." Another is simply that of racism.

Let's see if Nancy can figure out what I mean, and why it is unconscionable, as well as racist, to hold all the members of a race, country, or ethnicity complicit for the actions of those who lived before they were even born.

Horrid and nauseating.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 4:11:48 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 8, 2012 4:14:32 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Here's my 5 cents from what I currently understand (and I'm not particularly tied to the idea, but do find it interesting):

From what I understand Atlantis existed about 65,000,000 million years ago (whenever that meteor hit the gulf of Mexico). Hence the world 'flood' story.

Noah's ark it would appear was a starship, and their was a colony in the Sirius star starsystem. This led it appears to the myths of Isis and Osiris.

Technology was very advanced, as were mental powers. It appears we could manipulate DNA at will (possibly leading to the myth of Tiamat). A possible read on this is the book series 'East of Eden' by Harry Harrison.

More stories can be found in the music by Bal-Sagoth.

Your mileage might vary.

As a side note, 'Shangri-La' by James Hilton covers the end of the 2nd world (Sodom/Gomorrah).

P.S. It appears there was a rift of some sort created at that time to. A link to that I think can still be found in relation to a speech at the U.N. (or part of it).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 4:17:22 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
> In any case, it was probably much less spectacular than modern legends assume it was.

From what I understand it appears it was much more spectacular than modern legends assume.

[just saying]

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 4:20:39 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
>Stories of fantastical buildings, levitating cars and such.

It would apppear we've had that technology 2x before, atlantis and babylon.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 4:25:47 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
I figure most 'New Agers' date back to Atlantis, hence there interest in crystals and such.

But it's just an 'educated' guess.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 4:51:32 PM PDT
Astrocat says:
Everybody dates back to Atlantis, Bryan. Some even go back to Lemuria, where we first began to create human bodies, the interaction between the animal and the more highly evolved individuals who became known as the "Lords of Sacrifice." That's what really happened during the so-called "fall". We "fell" into matter, not into sin.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 4:53:39 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
>There is no good or bad karma, there is just karma.

Correct. Just lessons to learn.

You can have 'good' karma and still get cancer because you needed to learn something from it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 5:29:45 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
> but she said what she said.

As a side note. One thing I've noticed is that people tend to assume of the worst of others in what they read and the way they interpret things. So it's usually a good idea to try to look at things the other way, or try and clarify where the person might be coming from.
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