Automotive Deals Summer Reading Amazon Fashion Learn more nav_sap_plcc_ascpsc Pink Floyd Fire TV Stick Ruby jewelry Amazon Cash Back Offer harmonquest_s1 harmonquest_s1 harmonquest_s1  Amazon Echo  Echo Dot  Amazon Tap  Echo Dot  Amazon Tap  Amazon Echo Starting at $49.99 All-New Kindle Oasis AutoRip in CDs & Vinyl Segway miniPro
Customer Discussions > Religion forum

Texas GOP Makes Opposition to "Critical Thinking Skills" Official Policy


Sort: Oldest first | Newest first
Showing 201-225 of 1000 posts in this discussion
In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2012 10:36:43 AM PDT
Nick says:
RRR: Please look at this link. There is an illustration accompanying this article which made me laugh out loud.

Nick: Yes, very cute. Unfortunately it reminds me of the display in the Creationist museum of a triceratops with a saddle on its back

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2012 10:55:40 AM PDT
The difference between them is that the creationist museum was intended to be taken seriously.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2012 11:07:37 AM PDT
Nick says:
RRR writes: The difference between them is that the creationist museum was intended to be taken seriously.

Nick: Which is why it is so scary and why critical thinking is so important.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 6:52:43 AM PDT
Wow! They've made a lot of progress since the time a few years ago when their chairman was a YEC dentist.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 6:53:09 AM PDT
Only in Kentucky.

Posted on Jul 9, 2012 7:46:14 AM PDT
Mickey says:
Critical thinking does not mean simply sneering at yokels. That is easy and critical thinking is hard.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 8:12:52 AM PDT
The easy part is a recreational break from the hard part.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 8:16:34 AM PDT
Mickey says:
I don't see critical thinking as recreational and I'm not seeing much of the hard part here - I'm mostly seeing the easy part.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 8:24:46 AM PDT
The recreational part I was referring to was sneering at yokels. But critical thinking can be recreational, if one defines recreational as those activities one does in one's leisure time, or those activities not part of one's professional/work life.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:01:38 AM PDT
Mickey says:
I don't think critical thinking will let you off that easy - it is demanding. And sneering at yokels is not "recreational" critical thinking, it is ideology.

"The critical habit of thought, if usual in a society, will pervade all its mores, because it is a way of taking up the problems of life. People educated in it cannot be stampeded by stump orators and are never deceived by dithyrambic oratory. They are slow to believe. They can hold all things as possible or probable in all degrees, without certainty and without pain. They can wait for evidence and weigh evidence, uninfluenced by the emphasis and confidence with which assertions are made on one side or the other. They can resist appeals to their dearest prejudices and and all kinds of cajolery. Education in the critical faculty is the only education of which it can truly be said that it makes good citizens."
William Graham Sumner, "Folkways", 1906

This is a two-way street. Critical thinking denies certainty to everyone.

"Doubt is an unpleasant condition but certainty is absurd."
Voltaire.

Critical Thinking requires of us intellectual courage "The willingness to face and fairly assess ideas, beliefs or viewpoints to which we have not given a serious hearing, regardless or our strong negative reactions to them. This courage arises from the recognition that ideas considered dangerous or absurd are sometimes rationally justified (in whole or in part) and that conclusions or beliefs espoused by those around us or inculcated in us are sometimes false or misleading."
Richard Paul, "Critical Thinking", p.534

Critical Thinking requires of us fairmindedness: "Treating all or both sides alike without reference to one's own feelings or interests; . ."
"Critical Thinking", p.531

Critical thinking requires of us intellectual integrity: "Recognition of the need to be true to one's own thinking, to be consistent in the intellectual standards one applies, to hold oneself to the same rigorous standards of evidence and proof to which one holds one's antagonists, to practice what one advocates for others, and to honestly admit discrepancies and inconsistencies in one's own thought and action."
"Critical Thinking", p.536

I have not seen much critical thinking on this thread.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:07:10 AM PDT
Regarding my creationist museum remark, the critical thinking has been done. Now comes the mocking and derisive laughter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:14:50 AM PDT
Mickey says:
"The critical thinking has been done."

I haven't seen it. Where is the suspension of judgment, the weighing of evidence, the fairmindedness, the intellectual courage, the intellectual integrity, etc?

BTW - I am not a creationist. I accept evolution because the weight of the evidence supports evolution, but I will do my best to keep an open mind and if new evidence appears I will reconsider. But sneering at yokels is not critical thinking, it is ideology.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:25:47 AM PDT
ErikR says:
Young Earth Creationism deserves all the "suspension of judgment, the weighing of evidence, the fairmindedness, the intellectual courage, the intellectual integrity, etc" that the claim "Robert E Lee defeated Batman at the superbowl in 1567" does. Absolutely nothing we know about the world supports it, it is a post-hoc, (at best), fantasy scenario.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:30:31 AM PDT
Mickey says:
I see - you don't like critical thinking.

If you can refute it - fine. But sneering is not refutation.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:36:37 AM PDT
ErikR says:
Like RRR said, the critical thinking regarding YEC has been done. If you want to keep the question open whether lightning might actually be caused by Thor's hammer, go right ahead, just don't insist that you are engaging in critical thinking and that meteorologists and physicists are not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:42:04 AM PDT
Mickey says:
I don't accept YEC - I think I made that clear. But critical thinking does require fairmindedness, intellectual courage and intellectual integrity - all of which are in short supply on this thread. Critical thinking denies certainty to conservatives and liberals alike. And sneering is not critical thinking. Critical thinking requires self-assessment, not self-congratulation.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:50:05 AM PDT
ErikR says:
The dismissal of YEC comes after the critical thinking of hundreds of thousands of people over hundreds of years of application of that critical thought. And, it's not just critical thought, it is also the application of CT through experimentation and observation. To imply that YEC should garner any tiny shred of "fairmindedness, intellectual courage and intellectual integrity" is an insult to all of those people and to the concepts of "fairmindedness, intellectual courage and intellectual integrity."

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:58:12 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Wow! Nasty goings on in Vacationland! We have a close friend who lives in Maine and visit her as often as we can manage. We love the state and feel very at home there. So I keep an eye on Maine politics just because of our ties there. But I hadn't heard these particular details. I hope the state's voters come to their senses for the next election and the Democrats don't cannibalize themselves again.

Posted on Jul 9, 2012 10:00:30 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
In the Beginning: A Scientist Shows Why the Creationists Are Wrong

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 10:02:06 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Mickey, giving equal weight to considerations of creationism is not critical thinking. It is abdicating one's critical thinking. The jury has been in on this one for a very long time. The only question worth pondering in this area is *how* does evolution work, not whether there is any question that it's real or not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 10:03:59 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Mickey, sometimes there really are not two sides to the question, I.e. YEC versus evolution. Taking YEC seriously is not an example of critical thinking in action. It does not deserve consideration.

Posted on Jul 9, 2012 10:04:38 AM PDT
DFWTexan42 says:
Figures the Texas GOP would oppose teaching people how to spot BS.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 10:17:26 AM PDT
[Deleted by the author on Sep 16, 2013 5:11:33 PM PDT]

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 10:47:01 AM PDT
You haven't seen much because there probably isn't much.

If you're critically evaluating what a yokel is saying, and then expressing your critical evaluation in sneering terms, you're engaging in recreational critical sneering thinking.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 11:10:30 AM PDT
Mickey says:
I don't give equal weight to considerations of creationism - I said I accept evolution because the weight of the evidence supports evolution, did I not?
[Add comment]
Add your own message to the discussion
To insert a product link use the format: [[ASIN:ASIN product-title]] (What's this?)
Prompts for sign-in
 


Recent discussions in the Religion forum

  Discussion Replies Latest Post
Announcement
Amazon Discussions Feedback Forum
1650 4 days ago
William Blake 1583 13 minutes ago
Today in Muslim History 8573 15 minutes ago
Why did those who are now atheists leave Christianity? 6805 19 minutes ago
Art & Spirituality 484 19 minutes ago
Jesus probably didn't exist. Brian Bethune in response to Bart Ehrhman 3444 23 minutes ago
Animals in the Ark 178 37 minutes ago
What would Christ say about Atheists Who Deny God and deny Him? What would Christ say about Crooked Hillary's Abortion Promotion, Lies, Pay to Play Profiteering, Not following the Rules, Silly Dyed Light Blond Hair, and her Muslim Brotherhood Woman? 94 42 minutes ago
What is an ad hominem argument? 67 45 minutes ago
Thiest, Atheist, and... 4830 58 minutes ago
Love 104 1 hour ago
Why did those who are now atheists leave The Land of Lizards? 6 1 hour ago
 

This discussion

Discussion in:  Religion forum
Participants:  68
Total posts:  1921
Initial post:  Jul 1, 2012
Latest post:  Mar 17, 2015

New! Receive e-mail when new posts are made.
Tracked by 4 customers

Search Customer Discussions