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How long until we have our first gay or lesbian president?

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Initial post: Aug 4, 2012 6:47:16 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 4, 2012 6:48:18 AM PDT
Between 1870 and 1930, there were three attempts to pass Constitutional amendments banning interracial marriage. As late as the early 1940s, there were 30 states where you could go to prison for "marrying outside your race."

In addition to having public opinion on their side, proponents of anti-miscegenation amendments also had three powerful arguments--arguments which might sound familiar to you:
1) Interracial marriage is against TRADITION: most cultures throughout history and all over the world have frowned upon or criminalized mixed-race marriage.

2) It is against SCRIPTURE: though their interpretation was contested, Bible verses like Numbers 25, Deuteronomy 7:2-3 and Acts 17:24-26 were routinely used to condemn "race-mixing."

3) It is against NATURE: Even many educated people at this time actually believed that people of European and of African descent were of separate species, and not just separate races. As an elderly relative of mine once put it (in 1982!), "a cardinal doesn't mate with a blue jay."

As late as the 1980s, the majority of Americans disapproved of interracial marriage.

It's helpful to remember these things as we look at attempts to work against gay and lesbian marriage equality today. Opponents of gay marriage are not PROTECTING marriage, they are trying to take their own personal religious view of marriage and enshrine it in federal law. This prevents monogamous gay couples from being next of kin if one member dies without a will, and from pooling their property without tax penalties. Other rights are kept from them, as well.

But just as we moved from anti-miscegenation amendments in the 1930s to a biracial president in 2009, so too will we move beyond rampant anti-gay hate crime and attempts to keep marriage-related economic and social rights away from gays in the future.

It is only a matter of time until equality, justice, and compassion win out.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 7:10:34 AM PDT
Nat says:
I myself have made the point that whether the ceremony was performed by a minister or a justice of the peace the marriage license is the same. What's really obnoxious about the idea of marriage is a purely religious and religiously invented. That's wrong on both counts. Further, a "holy matrimony" is only recognized by peers and something referred to as god. Not the government.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 7:12:47 AM PDT
Very nice post.

Posted on Aug 4, 2012 8:05:06 AM PDT
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Joe Anthony says:
Iceland has a lesbian prime minister; to my knowledge she is the ONLY openly gay head of state in modern times; perhaps in history.

President James Buchanan who was president from 1857-1861 and never married, was always rumored to have been gay. While the evidence is compelling, it is also inconclusive. More recently, there has been speculation over the sexuality of Buchanan's beloved successor, Abraham Lincoln. Again, there are some interesting theories but nothing that lends itself to a strong conclusion.

I think it could be possible to have an openly gay or lesbian president within 100 years. However, I also think that when it comes to American politics, matters of gender and orientation are even tougher to break through than someone being Black or Jewish or what-have-you; for the simple reason that it's still by-and-large based upon an "old boys" network". America's one of the only modern countries to NEVER have had a female head of sate. Even Muslim countries have had female heads of state (such as Benizar Bhutto in Pakistan); as well as, countries in Latin America, Asia and Africa; which we usually think of as very "macho" or paternalistic.

Indeed, I always liked the idea of Hillary Clinton's possibilities as a president. As secretary of state, her drive and duplicity have worked well on the world stage.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 8:22:21 AM PDT
Well, twenty years ago a lot of people would have said that there's no way America would be ready for an African-American President in 2008. Predicting the future is as difficult as......predicting the future.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 8:36:29 AM PDT
"Predicting the future is as difficult as......predicting the future."

That was Yogi-Berra-like in its sagacity!

"It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future."

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 8:38:48 AM PDT
Hmmmm........I'm a bit taken aback by my unintentional channelling of the Sage of the Bronx.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 8:56:20 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Houston has an openly lesbian mayor. She was on the Colbert show last week. Very interesting woman. Amazing that she was elected in Texas, of all places.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 8:58:54 AM PDT
Goes to show how faulty all stereotypes are.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 9:11:36 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
She's Texan to the core, but if she could, she would change Texas law so that she and her partner of 27 years could get married.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 4, 2012 9:12:18 AM PDT
Agree that would be nice.

Posted on Aug 4, 2012 3:19:13 PM PDT
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tokolosi says:
Well, if Romney steals the election (ala 2000; the only way he will wind up in office...), one of the highlights of his inauguration speech will be his coming out. He'll announce that he is divorcing his wife and, gay marriage being legal in DC, marrying his top advisor and longtime confidant Eric Fehnrstrom....


Posted on Aug 5, 2012 6:18:32 AM PDT
I got ten bucks says Dan Cathy gets caught with a rent boy by December 2013. Who wants some?

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 6:33:14 AM PDT
I think we'll have a gay or lesbian president before we have an atheist president... and the most recent polls support that. Unfortunately.

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 7:28:51 AM PDT
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Rick Santorum might have a good chance in 2016. But Rick is not officially out. Yet.

The USA has probably already had a President who had a lot of gay sex. The USA has probably had many presidents who had a concubine at some point, or had regular sex with many prostitutes. All 3 scenarios are actully more common than a rich powerful man having only had sex with one wife in his adult life.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 7:31:06 AM PDT
Don't know about your claims, but we have had at least one President who was a sex addict, namely JFK.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 7:34:39 AM PDT
Bubba says:
I'm not going to bet against that; there are far too many instances of men like him being found to be closeted gays.

* Ted Haggard, notorious anti-gay mega minister.
* George Rekers​, founder of the gay-bashing Family Research Council.
* California State Sen. Roy Ashburn even voted against a Harvey Milk recognition day.
* Florida state Rep. Bob Allen voted 90 percent in line with the Christian Coalition
* Larry Craig, whose anti gay stance -- and his wide stance -- put Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on the map.

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 8:54:43 AM PDT
A. Caplan says:
How long until we have our first gay or lesbian president?
>What makes you think that we haven't?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 12:25:18 PM PDT
Well you have to admit that Houston isn't exactly "Texas."

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 12:26:22 PM PDT
Just goes to show what the confines of that closet will do to one.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 12:28:39 PM PDT
I don't believe the Lincoln rumor for a minute. If A. Lincoln had been gay, surely Walt Whitman would have found a way to allude to it, however figuratively.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 4:54:27 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
It's not? I've only been there once for a conference, so I really don't know the place at all.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 12:42:32 AM PDT
Amy Hall says:
Houston is the place where Texans try not to be Texans. Flat as a pancake and riddled with money.

Our first openly gay president? Not for a long while. I sure wish Hilary would run again; bet she'd win.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 3:52:56 AM PDT
S. Schoby says:
One thing about history is that the more we know of each other the more the barriers of ignorance and bigotry fall.

I am old enough to have lived in the time when a white person dared to kiss a black person or a black person dared to kiss a white person on television caused a big up roar from the religious extremist.
I remember when busing blacks to white schools caused protests in front of those schools.

I remember those debates about how a mixed race child would have such a bad time growing up. (Guess whose coming to dinner).

We now have a mixed race president and interracial marriage is vastly more common.
Interracial dating seen on television is a common thing now when in the past it would have been taboo.

We now have openly homosexual shows when in the past it would never have even been dreamed of.

I remember if someone was found to be homosexual they were consider mentally disturbed or even could be beaten and little to nothing done about it the defense was often because the person was a mental defect.

When the Aids virus became publicly labeled as some sort of gay plague it caused a world wide exposure of a very immoral bigotry in those signs held up saying thank god for aids.
LGBT people were no longer something only whispered about they became the person next door, a person you might know, they became not a gay person but a human being.

A horrible bigotry a human injustice was now exposed and it created a unity a cause that millions rallied behind gay and straight, it united people behind a much greater justice of care for your fellow being because we are all human.

A barrier of ignorance was falling down; an exposure of bigotry, injustice to your fellow being was being revealed before the faces of every person in the nation and the world.

I may not see a gay person elected president or an atheist president or a woman in my life time but it will become a reality perhaps in your children's time.
They will not be elected because they are gay or an atheist or a woman. They will be elected because the barriers of bigotry and ignorance have fallen.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 5:08:42 AM PDT
If someone had asked you in 2000 whether an obscure Illinois State Senator with the name Barack Hussein Obama would be elected the nation's first African-American President 8 years later, would you have thought that likely?
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