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Initial post: Aug 24, 2012 9:37:39 AM PDT
I used to be atheist. This was the question I asked myself one day in my search for truth. I could not understand who would have any reason to make him up. What are your thoughts on this?

Posted on Aug 24, 2012 10:12:00 AM PDT
Rubedo says:
Not only make him up but suffer and die for him.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 10:34:54 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
If you "used to be" an atheist, how would you describe yourself now? What changed for you?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 10:39:30 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 10:41:26 AM PDT
Spin says:
And: God made Jesus. And Jesus is God. So Jesus made Jesus. Does that mean Jesus is guilty of incest? If Jesus is God and God impregnated Mary, then Jesus must have enjoyed wandering in the forbidden garden....

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 10:48:07 AM PDT
This was a question that helped to entertain the thought that there is a god. And now a few years later I do.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:02:46 AM PDT
You should have framed your question to wonder why anyone would have made up Odin, Zeus, Ahura Mazda, and the countless other deities humans have worshiped over the millennia. A gap in your knowledge is no reason to fill that gap with a god.

Posted on Aug 24, 2012 11:05:14 AM PDT
If you argue Jesus Christ was a fictional character then you have to judge Plato and Alexander the great by that same yardstick. They had less direct and immediate effect upon their surrounding populations than Jesus did.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:09:11 AM PDT
Amy Hall says:
(responding to OP) Christianity was invented to be anti-semitic. Any religion needs a deity, so to create the NT, they turn him into a deity. Jesus was the superhero of his day. He has transformative powers, does miracles, etc. The Nicene council, under great political pressure, edited the huge comic book, put in the numbers, messed with the writing, and so we have the current comic book, which makes Jesus the.... James Dean II.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:14:51 AM PDT
Sorry, "mr. critic," but that is the fallacy of proof by analogy. Fail.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:22:40 AM PDT
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There were many contemporary country preachers like Jesus of Nazareth. The real question is: Why is Jesus the only one who sparked what eventually evolved into a new religious movement after his death? The answer given by Christian scholars is: The "resurrection experience" that jolted his followers to come out of hiding and to continue preaching about his teachings.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:23:39 AM PDT
No, I framed it the way I wanted. I was not asking if Jesus was God. Rather, how it is difficult to explain him away. This was a step I had to take in my walk as an atheist. The result of asking myself this question is my current belief in the deity of Jesus. I can see how it may be confusing. Just try to think about it from a secular view only. Why is Jesus a household name.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:28:01 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:28:23 AM PDT
Susie Derkins: The Nicene council has very little to do with the content of the new testament. There are scrolls that came out of Egypt, Greece, Turkey, and Russia that descended at least decades before the Nicene council. The books that it officially ruled out were widely considered spurious anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:30:11 AM PDT
Michael Ryan Nodurft: Why is Jesus a household name.

You are seriously using the existence of a belief in the divinity of Jesus as proof of the divinity of Jesus? I seriously doubt whether you were ever an atheist. Along your path while pretending to be an atheist, you should have asked yourself why, if Jesus was the incredibly influential itinerant preacher we are frequently told he was, then why are there absolutely no secular references to Jesus contemporary with the time he is said to have walked the Earth. It seems your "walk as an atheist" brought you back to what you wanted to believe all along. Just don't pretend you had some intellectual epiphany which led you to conclude that Jesus was God.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:32:52 AM PDT
Amy Hall says:
I don't know, Michael. Lots of people were mad at the Jews, or anybody, that matter, that was different. Probably any numbers of groups all got together to blast the Jews. You know how it is. Say you and your sister are fighting, and that's fine. But someone comes along and fights with your sister, then it's you and your sister against the idiot, right? Probably the same thing. No one group; just everybody who like the Jews.

Posted on Aug 24, 2012 11:34:53 AM PDT
the atheists made him up so they would have people to argue with.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:36:01 AM PDT
Steve abrams says:
Somebody just passed a troll 1010 class.... ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:38:19 AM PDT
Amy Hall says:
mr. critic, the Nicene council EDITED the material. The scrolls came from everywhere, you're right. I speculate that Jesus was probably a real guy, with great intentions. These are probably what the scrolls talk about; I don't know. But what they did, was turn a regular guy into a superhero, a deity. Think of it; a small group of people get run down their whole life because they believe differently so they have the OT.

They need a messiah. But no messiah comes along, so they invent one. The selling of a regular guy into a deity. And people buy it. Why not. They're suffering.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:42:31 AM PDT
Susie, I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you meaning to say that christianity was made up by an unnamed group that were angry with the Jews?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:47:41 AM PDT
Amy Hall says:
no, I'm not saying they were "made-up." Read my posts again, to help you understand.

Posted on Aug 24, 2012 11:50:03 AM PDT
"They need a messiah. But no messiah comes along, so they invent one. The selling of a regular guy into a deity. And people buy it. Why not. They're suffering."

Susie, so at this point you are saying that the jews invented Jesus. So logic would say that you believe he existed. Is this correct?

Posted on Aug 24, 2012 11:54:31 AM PDT
Amy Hall says:
Michael, do you hear an echo? Just say what you want to say. Jesus!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:56:31 AM PDT
Susie Derkins: The Roman empire was full of well educated and well traveled citizens. Paul wrote 1st Corinthians 15 less than 40 years after Jesus Christ's death. It says that over 500 witnesses who actually saw Jesus after the crucifixion and burial were still alive at the time he wrote and circulated 1st Corinthians all over Asia minor. Paul confirms many other miracles as well in his other letters.

This is not at all like Zeus, Apollo, or Neptune. If you want to argue that Jesus Christ is an example of myth making, you have to argue that it was done at a very early stage, like 30 to 50 A.D.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2012 11:57:08 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
You're forgetting Mohamed, Domenico.
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