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Initial post: Feb 19, 2013 2:27:44 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 19, 2013 10:53:35 AM PST
Amy Hall says:
Now blow out your 600+ candles.

Nicholaus Copernicus? The guy who figured out planets evolve around the sun? Without instruments? Without a computer? Without a PhD?

Ohh...... *that* Nicholaus.

Posted on Feb 19, 2013 6:00:55 PM PST
Yog-Sothoth says:
Rather astounding work for a Catholic cleric. If the RCC hadn't supported his work, and published his opus, "De revolutionibus orbium coelestium", perhaps we would never had heard of him.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013 6:20:39 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
SK: Copernicus was never ordained a priest. He held a minor sinecure of the local church, but was not a cleric.

And the Catholic Church did NOT support his work. It was on the list of banned books until 1835.

From Wiki:
In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture",[102] and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.[citation needed]

At the instance of Roger Boscovich, the Catholic Church's 1758 Index of Prohibited Books omitted the general prohibition of works defending heliocentrism,[103] but retained the specific prohibitions of the original uncensored versions of De revolutionibus and Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems. Those prohibitions were finally dropped from the 1835 Index.[104]

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013 9:56:59 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 19, 2013 9:57:58 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Interesting book on this:

The Sun in the Church: Cathedrals as Solar Observatories
by J. L. Heilbron
(Harvard University Press, 1999)

Posted on Feb 20, 2013 4:23:33 PM PST
Amy Hall says:
This doesn't have anything to do with math, does it?

;)

I just want the images, not the math. Har! You're the math guy. I is the image person.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2013 4:43:21 PM PST
Macheath says:
Until Einstein showed in his Theory of Special Relativity that there is no universal frame of reference against which all motion can be measured and that any particular object may be considered to be at rest and all other objects to be moving relative to it. Thus the earth can be considered at rest, and all other objects in the universe, including the sun, in motion relative to it.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2013 5:13:13 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 20, 2013 5:14:53 PM PST
'probabilist says:
LitSwH wrote:

> This doesn't have anything to do with math, does it?
> I just want the images, not the math.

Heh.

'Philosophy is written in this immense book that stands ever open before our eyes (I speak of the Universe), but it cannot be read if one does not first learn the language and recognize the characters in which it is written. It is written in mathematical language, and the characters are triangles, circles, and other geometrical figures, without the means of which it is humanly impossible to understand a word; without these philosophy is a confused wandering in a dark labyrinth.'

- Galileo Galilei, in his book 'Il Saggiatore (The Assayer)', published in 1623
(as quoted in translation by Julian B. Barbour in his book:
The Discovery of Dynamics
Oxford University Press, 2001)

How's that for an image?

,.-)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2013 9:08:00 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 20, 2013 9:09:34 PM PST
Amy Hall says:
hahahahaha

Did you see that Eric has returned? I saw one of his posts somewhere in the forum. :)

Islamic Design: A Genius for Geometry (Wooden Books) This is pretty cool.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2013 1:29:57 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 21, 2013 1:30:22 AM PST
'probabilist says:
> Did you see that Eric has returned? I saw one of his posts somewhere in the forum. :)

If it's the same one I saw, it's an old post that was apparently from a separate account.

I'd love to see him return, though. I've learned a lot from Eric Pyle's posts.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2013 1:33:13 AM PST
'probabilist says:
> Islamic Design: A Genius for Geometry (Wooden Books)

Cool book. Thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2013 1:34:39 AM PST
'probabilist says:
This is a good book, too:

Science in Medieval Islam
by Howard R. Turner

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2013 2:30:34 AM PST
Eric Pyle says:
Hi 'prob,

I'm back, at least for the time being. I'd been working hard on some ideas and wondered if it would help me get a better grip on them by chatting about them here.

So far it's been pretty much total incomprehension, but we'll see. One of the posters whom I have always respected the most has been standing in my corner.

If you'd like to join the current fight, I've been on the thread about "God is Belief not knowledge," for the last 5 pages or so. I'm about to be fed to the lions.

Also, I want to say sorry for my dramatic exit last year. When I asked Amazon to switch me off, I didn't think they'd delete all the old posts, though I should have known it. So it sort of seemed like I was slamming my door on the way out, and I didn't mean to.

I hope you've been healthy and enjoying life both on and off the forum!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2013 10:45:06 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Hi, Eric! It's great to see you here!

Doing well.

'prob

Posted on Oct 9, 2013 11:25:17 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2013 11:47:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 9, 2013 11:49:19 PM PDT
Everything S. Kessler wrote is correct. It seems that Yog is in favor of history being revised in order to make a vain attempt to make the religions of the world including the RCC the white knight that brought science to the world when actually it is quite the opposite in reality. Religions as a general rule and the deeply devout as a whole resist, resist and continue to resist at every step of the way even hampering the progress of science.

Oh btw, the RCC did not make a formal apology and clear Galileo of any wrong doing until 1992. Galileo Galilei died in 1642. The RCC was only 350 years too late.
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