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Initial post: Apr 5, 2012 4:39:39 PM PDT
Are all miracles really miracles or could they (some or all?) be just magic tricks?

TRICK QUESTION. Be careful when answering.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2012 11:02:55 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Magic was I believe one of the subjects that the initiation candidates learned about in Egypt. Other subjects included alchemy, astrology, sacred geometry, and their 'divisions of the self'. Moses was I believe a member of that secret and ancient Egyptian priesthood which is sometimes called 'the order of Melchizedek'.

The bible alludes to some of this where Moses and Aaron have the confrontation with the pharaoh's evil magicians. And they really were magicians.

Nowadays magic is associated either with evil like witchcraft or with parlor tricks. But back in those ancient times in Egypt I don't think that was the case. There was positive magic also.

There are theories that some of the things Moses did like parting the Red Sea were accomplished using the powers of the Ark Of The Covenant. Elisabeth Haich states that Moses had the ability to control and defeat the force of gravity using the Ark device:

Initiation

First Moses used his anti gravity powers to part the waters and let the Hebrews pass. Then when the pharaoh's soldiers tried to walk across the lake bed he increased the force of gravity on them so they couldn't move. Then I guess he cancelled the anti gravity effect on the water and it drowned them. An eye witness to these strange events would not have known what really happened.

What I said doesn't exclude God's involvement. But it includes the Ark device which some believe was an Atlantean, radioactive device that was brought to the Earth from outer space and kept inside the pyramids until the Egyptian priests gave it to Moses.

The bible tells how the Philistines took possession of the Ark Of The Covenant and they started dying from what sounds like radiation poisoning. They were most anxious to return this device to the Hebrews.

A true miracle would be like what happened at Fatima. The sun came very close to the Earth but didn't incinerate everyone like it normally would.

Christians believe Christ was born under supernatural circumstances as was Horus in the Egyptian religion. Mary and Isis are I believe the same person. She is a goddess.

Some of the things that happened during the Exodus story were miracles also it seems.

I mentioned alchemy before. This is a fascinating subject if you can find the right books:

Fulcanelli: Master Alchemist: Le Mystere des Cathedrales, Esoteric Intrepretation of the Hermetic Symbols of The Great Work (Le Mystere Des ... of the Hermetic Symbols of Great Work)

The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2012 11:40:13 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 5, 2012 11:40:52 PM PDT
Re original post: There is no way to tell whether an alleged "miracle" was actually miraculous -- i.e., was a violation of the laws of nature, since there is no way to know what all of those laws are. "Magic" implies that the magician has a deliberate intent to deceive his audience -- and, if the trick works, he does so. The two concepts have little to do with each other.

Posted on Apr 6, 2012 6:07:14 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
The biggest differences:

*Magic is performed on a smaller stage.
*With magic, everybody already knows it's a trick.

Posted on Apr 6, 2012 2:39:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 6, 2012 2:40:32 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
Since *true* miracles don't occur, it's all magic (or coincidence).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 4:34:15 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 6, 2012 4:34:34 PM PDT
Oh you mean, Fake? No difference. It would be a miracle if someone swung by my house with a big ol' Whopper right about now! I am starvin like marvin!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 4:55:06 PM PDT
Bubba says:
even bigger miracle if it comes with just what you want on it, and onion rings or fries

Posted on Apr 6, 2012 4:58:37 PM PDT
It's a miracle of a christian does it, it's magic (meaning witchcraft) if somebody else does it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 6:24:04 PM PDT
Onion rings!:) Have you tried BK's new fries yet? I have not.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 6:24:20 PM PDT
So true!;)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 6:32:16 PM PDT
Love can be both--or not.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 6:39:13 PM PDT
Depends on how one defines Love.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 6:49:09 PM PDT
reply to tokolosi's post:

that is false

a miracle is an event of probability zero that happens
they occur all the time
i can do one on demand
just not the aaamazing ones you would like to see

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 6:49:55 PM PDT
Romantic love, filial love, platonic love, domestic tranquility...maybe it's the pain in your heart that never goes away after the first time you meet someone and really look into their eyes, breath their air, drink in the melody of their voice...a pain that's only displaced by the joy you take in their presence.

Posted on Apr 6, 2012 7:05:56 PM PDT
Love Hurts is a good song for good Friday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY6tV1QIeKg&feature=related

Posted on Apr 6, 2012 7:09:04 PM PDT
JH

Another good song for the day; 'I Fought the Law and the Law Won'.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 7:09:49 PM PDT
Oh boy.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 7:10:07 PM PDT
Much better!:)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 8:14:55 PM PDT
Re whomper, 4-6 6:49 PM: "a miracle is an event of probability zero that happens" A contradiction in terms. As I have explained previously, a miracle is a phenomenon unexplainable by currently known natural law.

Posted on Apr 6, 2012 8:37:39 PM PDT
jpl says:
what is the difference between magic and a miracle

jpl: Magic is performed by people; miracles are performed by gods . . . you know, those idols most people believe in.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 9:32:16 PM PDT
reply to Robert A. Saunders's post:

you made that same error before

a miracle is defined as an event of probability zero tht actually hapens

unexplainable things are not miracles
just cause you dont know why they happened
magic would be a better name for your so called natural event
if you cant explain it
and that is exactly how many scientific writers have defined that

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 10:33:14 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 6, 2012 10:34:17 PM PDT
Re whomper, 4-6 9:32 PM: "a miracle is defined as an event of probability zero tht [sic] actually hapens [sic]" Only someone who is completely ignorant of mathematics could make such an asinine claim. If the event has probability zero, it CANNOT happen.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 6, 2012 11:14:45 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
"a miracle is an event of probability zero that happens
they occur all the time
i can do one on demand"

please share

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 2:04:54 AM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Jonathan Hansen says:

[Love Hurts is a good song for good Friday.]

Nazareth is a good band. That's who created that song I think.

I feel like some of their songs contain messages for me.

Jeff Marzano

Hair of the Dog

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 7:50:39 AM PDT
reply to Robert A. Saunders's post:

you show your ignorance so clearly

you need to take a GOOD course in probability

events with probability zero do happen
and we made them happen on demand when i was a student
so did the professor

not aaamazing events but events of probability zero

contemplating such difficult subjects should be left to those who actually know something about them instead of spouting off about things that you think you know about
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