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Am I the only person who hates religion more everyday?


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Initial post: Dec 22, 2011 5:14:14 PM PST
Everytime I hear "God bless you", see someone praying. Everytime the history channel brings up the bible in a literal sense. When people do the sign of the cross hand gesture. When I see a cross or star of david or whatever that crested moon and star thing muslims have. The church bells every sunday. The fish on every car. It goes on and on.
Hate, Disgust and Anger overwhelm me.
(The only thing I don't mind is ash wednesday. It's as if God marked all the idiots)
"God is a joke and the believers are the punchline."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 5:15:30 PM PST
Rev. Otter says:
i hope you find peace of mind, somehow. :)

Posted on Dec 22, 2011 5:20:43 PM PST
Renata says:
Andrew B.

I am an atheist, but you are overreacting. Object to the things that matter, like the attempt to destroy biology by preaching creationism. Everything you mentioned is pretty trivial.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 5:21:14 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 22, 2011 5:23:26 PM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Wow, that is sad. Why on earth would you allow such things to cause hate, disgust and anger, especially to the degree it overwhelms you? I hope you are able to come to terms with this, but at your statement sounds dangerously close to extreme and unreasonable and irrational prejudice.

Posted on Dec 22, 2011 5:32:50 PM PST
Extreme yes but not unreasonable and irrational. They can't keep it to themselves. I started being annoyed by religion at about 15 and it's progressed to the point where they really invoke such rage at the level of stupidity. It's one thing to believe in "God" or "higher power" and it's quite another to turn it into a religion. Religion has gone too far for far too long and when are we going to put it in it's place.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 5:53:07 PM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Andrew B. says:
Extreme yes but not unreasonable and irrational.

K: Can you explain the rationality and reason behind your admitted overwhelming hatred, disgust and anger?

Andrew: They can't keep it to themselves.

K: Most people don't/can't keep such things to themselves. Strong beliefs, whether they be political, social, environmental, religious, philosophical, etc., are naturally important and generally voiced in free societies. It is the nature of freedom, and the beauty of freedom, that allows this. Otherwise, we would have society forced to behave according to religious beliefs or prohibited from religious beliefs and you would not be free to be free from these religions let alone to voice your opinions and dissent of these things. Why should they keep it to themselves in a society that not only guarantees freedom of religion and speech, but guarantees your freedom to reject it as well?

Andrew: It's one thing to believe in "God" or "higher power" and it's quite another to turn it into a religion.

K: I don't think so. Human history has demonstrated a strong need and predilection for not only a belief in gods, but for religion as well. Perhaps it is a need created by evolution with nothing to do with truth or reality as far as the existence of any sort of god is concerned, but religion has played an important part in human society and existence, and it continues to do so.

Andrew: Religion has gone too far for far too long and when are we going to put it in it's place.

K: Perhaps it has in many ways, and in some ways it has done great good. Even when doing serious harm, it has probably been "good" from an evolutionary perspective, providing the necessary aspects of social survival for groups. It is not unreasonable to hope for it to eventually "evolve" away, but I would have little hope for ever forcefully eliminating it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 5:59:33 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 6:15:40 PM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Do you detect any poeness?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 6:55:11 PM PST
S. Friedman says:
Andrew,
I suspect that there are others who do feel as you do, but it's an easily attacked position and so I don't anticipate many supporting you publicly on this.

As for myself, without going so far as to say I hate and am angered by such things, I will say that my confidence that these people are devoting their lives to a myth grows every day.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 6:56:31 PM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
There is a reason that it is an easily attacked position.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 7:56:52 PM PST
We are a branch of the family of Great Apes and are subject to the behavior that evolved with our genetics. Our desire to be with other people, to be recognized and feel part of a group, a family, to experience achievement, to seek a safe and secure environment are all driven by our Great Ape genetics. Religion is an emergent behavior that arises from our survival instincts. Yes it is illogical, irrational, many times harmful but it is part of our evolutionary diversity. People have different temperaments which is necessary for evolution to happen. Some of those people by their individual nature seek absolute certainty in order to feel safe. When our survival instinct screams at us to stay alive, to avoid danger and death, yet we know we are going to die, some need a story to tell themselves that they will never die, that there will be eternal life of certainty and safety.

I have let go of my hatred of religion, although I will vigorously oppose attempts to force me or others to adopt it. Since realizing the reason for religion I have become more tolerant of it. There are many religious people who are good and do good even though they believe in a fantasy.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2011 10:21:06 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
I kind of understand what Andrew is feeling. I get pretty disgusted when I see politicians hiding behind Jesus or women being forced to ride at the back of the bus by Hasids lest they contaminate the men. I could go on. It's the stupidity more than anything else that gets to me. But I manage to keep it in perspective a little better, I guess.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 2:52:58 AM PST
Conley Thorn says:
ANDREW B.: Everytime I hear.... Hate, Disgust and Anger overwhelm me.

THORN: Becalm yourself, Andrew. Give the other idiots their space. We are all victims of the What Is. Try not to imagine that you're so goddamned special (or selected out from the herd by some goddamned "God"!)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 3:08:41 AM PST
Conley Thorn says:
ANDREW B.: It's one thing to believe in "God" or "higher power" and it's quite another to turn it into a religion. ...when are we going to put it in it's place.

THORN: Andrew, it already occupies its appointed place. Is it not satisfactory to you that scientists and artists and most intelligent writers and most intelligent readers, such as you and I, for instances, consign it to nonsense, and absurdity, and superstition? Can you not permit the hoi pelloi their illusions? Indulge them--please! It is the "salt of the earth" that provide us with our most pungent intellectual pleasures. Absent them, what would you have to laugh at?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 3:15:21 AM PST
G. Heron says:
Andrew B

I can sympathise, with all the problems the human race faces at present we need people to be engaged with reality so that we can work together to preserve our species. Having billions of human beings who are dislocated from reality by religion is increasingly dangerous for all of us.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 3:40:10 AM PST
Conley Thorn says:
MR. KRINKLE: Strong beliefs, whether they be political, social, environmental, religious, philosophical, etc., are naturally important and generally voiced in free societies. It is the nature of freedom, and the beauty of freedom, that allows this.... It is not unreasonable to hope for it to eventually "evolve" away, but I would have little hope for ever forcefully eliminating it.

THORN: Excellent retort. Why would any sensible person wish his neighbor to be a carbon copy of himself, and to deny himself the immense entertainments of religious invention?

Posted on Dec 23, 2011 5:59:12 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2011 6:02:13 AM PST
As an atheist, I too detest religion mightily, but I guess the difference is, with me, that I'm not going to let it spoil my day, most days. I try to live and let live, but the minute I sense that religion is encroaching on my space, I let people know my viewpoint in no uncertain terms. The real problem is that in this country we get dangerously close sometimes to a situation where nonbelief makes one a real pariah. Make no mistake, there are people out there in fairly large numbers who would love to see the United States become a Christian theocracy. But I think this is changing. As we advance further into a scientific age, overall the role religion plays is, I think, gradually dwindling in spite of everything the medieval-minded obscurantists can do. And when (if ever) it fades away, good riddance.

Posted on Dec 23, 2011 6:45:29 AM PST
Kristen says:
I hate religion but I try really hard to not have it make me hate religious people. They had whatever experiences that led them to this... and I have to just accept that it is what it is. Which is hard, because someone I'm closest to is a young earth creationist. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 7:10:44 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 7:46:20 AM PST
msborn2late says:
Hello.
I read someone's post suggesting that many people would be hesitant to publicly support you. I am not able to say that I "support" you, but I believe that I understand what you are saying and I know that I appreciate that you publicly exposed your "feelings." Upon reading your post, I personally recognized that I have experienced similar feelings about the same things you point out. By my location on earth, alone, I am surrounded by "religious" icons- mainly symbols, quotes, and sayings that are associated with Christianity. It is impossible for me to discuss this without sounding ignorant, or using stereotypical examples in reference to "Christians" - which absolutely puts me in a position to receive a lot of criticism. I am encouraged and refreshed by your post, first, because you posed it honestly. I perceived that you kind of poked your head up and were "asking around" to see if anyone else "felt" the way you do. You took full responsiblity for your feelings. I don't understand why anyone would be offended. I do understand why the actual content causes some to become angry. There are people who are terrified when they see someone "color outside of the lines." My point exactly about (speaking in stereotypical generalities for lack of my inability to express my thought in a more politically correct way) Christians. Well, SOME self-proclaimed Christians. I could go very deep about my own questions and concerns, but to address your post or try to contribute, suffice it to say that I would like to pose several questions to you. Please note- I'm watching my P's & Q's here- so my writing reflects MY feelings, MY questions, and every precaution is taken to be clear. I feel it is my responsibility to do this because I only care to accept the same from anyone else who makes a contribution to this or any thread. My question to you is: Have you tried to view what you describe as "anger" from another perspective? Is it possible that you are saddened, or frustrated, by the lack of understanding you see around you? Occasionally, I think that I have the same feelings that you describe. I have given this a lot of thought, personally and quietly. I realized that I have many emotions related to the adherence to mainstream religion, but anger is not one of them. I am sad when someone tells me that they have "found" something, the answer, God, Jesus, whatever. I am sad because I believe (underline I) that anyone who believes they have "arrived" or discovered something (basically one-upped others, right?) is the furthest from such a thing, if there is one. I am just saying to you, and anyone else who is interested, that it is possible that anger is representing or masking other emotions, and also, that although it's absolutely fine (in my opinion) for you to express that anger, it doesn't serve to contribute to any resolution. It is more of the same... isn't it more of what you are stating you are angry about? I challenge you to consider that it is not anger, but fear, sadness, disappointment, or more of many emotions. I did take the liberty of assuming, by your post, that you wish people would release themselves from rigid parameters and I see anger as one of the most rigid, self-imposed parameters that can inhibit clear thinking.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 7:51:13 AM PST
msborn2late says:
Thank you very much for sharing. I see your post as the Readers Digest version of my own.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 8:00:34 AM PST
Dean says:
No, you sure aren't.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 8:01:42 AM PST
Amon says:
Wow. My friend you hate many things. You should take an evening to meditate and renounce these things that have a hold over you. Become indifferent to them or stay chained to your many hatreds.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 8:09:12 AM PST
Hi Andrew B.

When I hear Christian hatred, such as a man at the gym who speaks about how life on the planet is not important because he is a Christian, I feel many emotions. I definitely believe the man is sick, and I have trepidation in regard the planet's future. The word "hatred," however, is something I try to avoid because I am emotional enough. I try to make my stance against religion in what I write and how I live my life. If I can get even one Christian or religious person to think about any subject of importance regarding the future of humanity, I guess I will have done my job. Plus, I get the personal satisfaction of having played life's game, to combat absolute ignorance with creativity. Do I get angry once in a while? I do. The story on the news the other night about a woman thrown in jail in Afghanistan because her uncle raped her drew a pointed response. I want us the hell out of Afghanistan. They can hate women without us dying for them. Allah can die in the gutter as far as I am concerned. Of course, he cannot die because he does not exist. The humans who believe in him are sick in the head, though.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2011 11:45:50 AM PST
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