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Blind adherence to National Rifle Association religion: when will it stop?


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Initial post: Dec 14, 2012 1:26:28 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Blind adherence to National Rifle Association religion: when will it stop?

,.-(

Posted on Dec 14, 2012 1:29:46 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Note the date on this item (almost two years ago):

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["It's time to email your Senators and Congressman today" department:]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/opinion/11tue1.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211

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...It [the National Rifle Association (NRA)] reflexively opposes even mild, sensible restrictions - but if there is any reason left in this debate, the latest mass shooting should force a retreat. Is there anyone, even the most die-hard gun lobbyist, who wants to argue that a disturbed man should be able to easily and legally buy a Glock to shoot a congresswoman, a judge, a 9-year-old girl?

One of the first things Congress can do is to take up a bill proposed by Representative Carolyn McCarthy, a Democrat of Long Island, that would ban the extended ammunition clip used by the Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner. A Glock 19 usually holds 15 bullets. Mr. Loughner used an oversize clip allowing him to fire as many as 33 bullets before pausing to reload. It was at that point that he was tackled and restrained. ...
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 1:31:21 PM PST
Astrocat says:
I'd like to see the NRA completely disbanded, and you're correct, it is a kind of religion.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 1:33:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 14, 2012 1:34:17 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Exactly.

It isn't 1820 any more, there aren't any bears left in the woods to shoot, and the guns aren't single-shot muzzle-loading flintlock rifles now.

Bleah.

If ever a religion has outlived its sensible era, the NRA has.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 1:58:54 PM PST
prob,

yep the bears cross our lands now, regularly! Of course, so do the deer.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 2:29:58 PM PST
The Weasel says:
'probabilist says:
Blind adherence to National Rifle Association religion: when will it stop?
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No time soon. Not until every man, woman and child in the nation owns a gun or three.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 3:00:54 PM PST
QUESTER says:
The Weasel says:
'probabilist says:
Blind adherence to National Rifle Association religion: when will it stop?
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No time soon. Not until every man, woman and child in the nation owns a gun or three.
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... or ... is dead.

Posted on Dec 14, 2012 3:12:14 PM PST
MLC says:
Given the shooting in Connecticut this morning, this thread is most timely.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 3:24:49 PM PST
It won't. I realize that there is no number of dead children big enough to break the back of the gun lobby. Americans worship guns more than their own children. Not all, of course, but enough to ensure that the flow of guns won't stop. And even were it to stop, there are an estimated 238 million guns in private ownership in the US. The problem is here to stay. Get used to reports of dead children. I have mine in a nice sane private school, where I cross my fingers every day that she stays safe.

On "The Young Turks" the day after the Portland Oregon mall shooting, Cenk Uygur had a pro-gun lobbyist on. This guy's take was fascinating in the very same way that a car crash is fascinating. He thought that the REAL problem was not too many guns, it was not enough guns. Seriously. He thought if all the soccer moms doing their Christmas shopping had been carrying, they could have taken they guy down in short order. Sure, because private citizens ALWAYS hit EXACTLY what they are aiming for.

That's the gun lobby.

Second Amendment = good.

Protecting our children = unimportant.

Feh.

Posted on Dec 14, 2012 3:26:55 PM PST
Rubedo says:
nra is not the problem.
mental health is.

Posted on Dec 14, 2012 3:34:20 PM PST
MLC says:
Rubedo says: "nra is not the problem. mental health is."

But when you make guns easily available to those with problems, you are making things like the shooting in Newtown possible.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 3:48:05 PM PST
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/12/conservatives-newtown-shooting-twitter

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/12/connecticut_school_shooting_president_obama_today_is_the_day_to_talk_about.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 5:01:36 PM PST
'probabilist says:
> Not until every man, woman and child in the nation owns a gun or three.

"Support Your Right to Arm Bears!"

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 5:03:17 PM PST
'probabilist says:
> nra is not the problem.
> mental health is.

It seems to me that the NRA _is_ a mental problem...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 5:45:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 14, 2012 5:47:37 PM PST
QUESTER says:
Rubedo says:

nra is not the problem.
mental health is.
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And we do so well with keeping unhealthy persons off of the streets.

Heaven forbid we try and keep guns out of their hands.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 6:33:39 PM PST
Rubedo says:
QUESTER says:
And we do so well with keeping unhealthy persons off of the streets.
Heaven forbid we try and keep guns out of their hands.

MLC says:
But when you make guns easily available to those with problems, you are making things like the shooting in Newtown possible.

R:
I am all for more gun control but that only deals with part of the problem.

Posted on Dec 15, 2012 12:46:01 AM PST
dischism says:
In 2011, there were 51 gun related deaths in the UK in a population of 63 million which has tightly controlled gun ownership. The number of gun related deaths in the US, whose population is approximately five times that of the UK, was more than 31 000.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2012 4:26:58 PM PST
Oh, there is certainly no shortage of issues that need to be addressed. That doesn't mean that gun control should be put on the shelf.

Of all the people I've known that own guns, not one of them have succeeded in preventing their home being burgled or stopped a crime. On the other hand, one shot himself in the leg (and was lucky to have lived through it; if the injury had been two inches over, he would be singing soprano now), and one had his gun stolen by his nephew, who took it to school to shoot another kid because he thought the kid was gay.

I'm sure there have been some positive resolutions to situations by guns, but my personal experience tells me that it is more likely that you're going to have to deal with crap more if you own a gun than if you don't.

Past that, I also understand that, because of groups like the NRA, there are now so many guns in this country that trying to remove them all would be a near-impossible task. Thanks a lot, aholes.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2012 4:30:20 PM PST
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Posted on Dec 16, 2012 8:21:50 AM PST
"I am all for more gun control but that only deals with part of the problem."

The shootings are a symptom, not the disease.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 8:52:57 AM PST
Lientje says:
Nancy: "I'd like to see the NRA completely disbanded, and you're correct, it is a kind of religion. "

I agree.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 8:56:38 AM PST
Cilantron: The shootings are a symptom, not the disease.

Tell that to the grieving parents.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 10:27:28 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 16, 2012 12:13:14 PM PST
Melanie says:
This was posted by a Face Book friend:

"I find it interesting that the weapon the kid used in Connecticut is being uniformly identified in the press as a "rifle." It took a bit of searching, but I finally found out what kind of rifle he used. It is a Bushmaster .223 light carbine. It is unequivocally an ASSAULT Rifle, but no one is calling it that. I wonder why. If you have any doubts about who writes the news, this should clear it up for you. Only six companies own all of the news networks in this country, and they are very cozy with the National Rifle Association, one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. Omitting the word "assault" from the description of the weapon is blatant political spin. A "rifle" is what you hunt with; an assault rifle is just what the name says it is - a people-killer. But hey, it's a free country, right? Except the press. They're not free. In fact, I'm sure they came at a very high price."

http://clydearmory.com/bushmaster-super-light-carbine-223.html

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 10:42:15 AM PST
Songbird says:
I have Facebook friends who posted pictures of their handguns after Friday - to make a point that the right to bear arms...or that despite the tragedy....you know, I don't know what their point was. But it made me a little sick.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 11:36:29 AM PST
Astrocat says:
I have a friend who studies the esoteric teachings. Her husband told her "You love thinking, I love guns." Yikes!
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