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Initial post: May 1, 2008 6:48:26 PM PDT
Ms Michele says:
Ok, here it goes, sometimes when we hear these newer songs; my friends and I have contests to see who can guess which song was sampled from the past. The songs don't necessarily have to be current hits; just have samples or hooks from old school songs...have fun!! Here are a few...

Gin & Juice (snoop dogg) samples "watching you" by Slave
Guess Who Loves You More (raheem devaughn) samples "can't hide love" by Earth Wind Fire....help me out, keep it going..... :-)

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2008 7:00:51 PM PDT
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Dr Dre's "Nuthin but a g thing" used Leon Haywood's "I wanna do something freaky to you".

Simple Pleasure's "Where do we go from here" used elements of James Brown's "Funky Drummer".

Welcome: F. Faith!

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2008 7:24:27 PM PDT
I Wish I Didin't Miss You - Angie Stone samples the O'Jays 'Backstabbers'
No More Rain In This Could - Angie Stone samples Galdys Knight's 'Neither One Of Us'
Crazy In Love - Beyonce samples a Chilites Song I can't remember the name of. Maybe it's something like 'Are You My Woman'

One the very first 'hooks' I remember hearing, was in Ella Fitzgerald's version of 'Blue Skies'. I discovered Ella while I was in high school, and I was loving Gerschwin at the time also, and she scats a line from 'Rhapsody In Blue', and it's brilliant. They were even doing it back then, lol.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2008 6:10:27 AM PDT
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Andy B says:
Sampling is by no means new - it's just much more pervasive now. In the past samples were usually to pay homage to a great artist or a classic song and they were fairly rare. However, I daresay that for the most part artists in the past prided themselves on being original (I am making a distinction here between sampling and remakes; remakes were always very common).

By the way I find the aforementioned Angie Stone songs very annoying - I know I 'm being picky but I don't want to hear such exact copies of the original start off and then change or cut off the chorus. When I hear "I Wish I Didn't Miss You" by Angie Stone (Backstabbers), I start to groove and get into the feel of the original song - my musical memory takes me to the chorus and then it changes and I feel a huge let-down. Premature selection maybe?

Anyway here is a sample that all of my young friends didn't know -
Addictive by Truth Hurts sampled the exact rhythm of "Do It "Til You're Satisfied" by BT Express.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2008 6:36:47 AM PDT
Ms. 90 says:
Deja Vu - Beyonce - samples I Can't Help It - Michael Jackson
En Vogue - Never Gonna Get It - samples The Payback - James Brown
Unbreakable - Alicia Keys - samples Intimate Friends - Eddie Kendricks (maybe not a sample, but sounds just like it)

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2008 6:43:37 AM PDT
"UNPREDICTABLE" --- JAMIE FOXX AND "IT'S BEEN SUCH A LONG TIME" --- NEW BIRTH

In reply to an earlier post on May 3, 2008 9:47:29 AM PDT
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"Sampling is by no means new - it's just much more pervasive now. In the past samples were usually to pay homage to a great artist or a classic song and they were fairly rare.

By the way I find the aforementioned Angie Stone songs very annoying - I know I 'm being picky but I don't want to hear such exact copies of the original start off and then change or cut off the chorus. When I hear "I Wish I Didn't Miss You" by Angie Stone (Backstabbers), I start to groove and get into the feel of the original song - my musical memory takes me to the chorus and then it changes and I feel a huge let-down. Premature selection maybe?"

Andy, I agree with you that used to be more about paying homage! It still is in many cases I think. But there are too many rip offs these days, and I think a lot of them are for the purpose of drawing the listener in with a proven past hit, to a song that otherwise sucks. In the Angie Stone case, I actually really like both songs, and I think she's super talented. I know what you mean though. I have my own standard for judging whether or not I like a song that includes a sample or hook from another song, and it's this (a very scientific method, btw): if I like the resulting 'rip off' song, then sampling or ripping off a hook was a great idea. If I don't like the 'rip off' song, then it was just a lame attempt to capitalize on another's success and originality, and the artist doing the sampling probably ran out of original ideas and he or she sucks, lol! That's my method :)

One song that really ticked me off the first time I heard it was Janet Jackson's 'Someone To Call My Lover'. I think that's what it's called anyway. The beginning of that song is America's ' Ventura Highway, a song I love. When it came on the radio, I got excited and turned it up, and then all of a sudden it switched to Janet Jackson's voice!!! I was so mad, lol. That's an example of one I can't stand.

I do kind of like hooks more than samples though. I think it's so clever for someone to be singing one song, and then suddenly, just for a line or two, they're singing a different song. It's probably not that hard to do, it just takes finding a song with same beat count probably, but it just kind of impresses me for some reason, lol. Sting uses his a line from one of his own songs, 'Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic', in a couple of his other songs. It's that line 'it's a big enough umbrella, but it's always me that ends up getting wet'. I just love that, lol! And Van Morrison does this live. He'll sing entire 5 or more minutes of just randomly injecting lines from his other songs, and it seems like brilliance and everyone loves it.

So here's one more I love. In Bobby Womack's 'If You Don't Want My Love', he sings the Supreme's hook, 'set me free why don't you babe, get out my life why don't you babe'.

Sorry that was so long :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 4, 2008 5:16:27 PM PDT
Faith Evan's used the "Chic cheer" for "Love like this" and slowed the tempo a bit.

Sweet Sable also used "Intimate Friends" for her hit "Old times sake" on the Above the Rim Soundtrack.

I also agree that Angie Stone doesn't do much to change the samples around to make them interesting. Her best work was when she sung with Verticle Hold in the mid 90's. Are you familiar with their 2 albums and hit "Seems your much too busy", Brown-eyed girl?

In reply to an earlier post on May 4, 2008 11:49:40 PM PDT
Tonè says:
Have you heard Bobby Womack's "Just My Imagination"? That song is daringly close (as in "copyright infringement territory") to The Tempts

Tempt's chorus: "Just my imagination, running away with me"
Bobby's chorus: "Just my imagination, playing tricks on me again"
Background riff is a rip-off.

Bobby does it again with "Who's Fooling Who", so close to One Way's "Who's Fooling Who": -

One Way Chorus:
"Who
Who's foolin who
Are you foolin me
Or am I foolin you"

Bobby's chorus:

"Who
Who's foolin who
Are you foolin me, baby
Or am I foolin you"

Bobby's is funk, while One Way's is smooth R&B.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 6:28:45 AM PDT
Andy B says:
Mariah Carey (as well as Mary J. Blige) is a sample queen. She sampled the piano riff of the World Famous Supreme Team's "Hey DJ" on the song Honey. Look through the album and you won't see a credit.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 7:23:03 AM PDT
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mediaagent says:
Hey y'all...

I just want to slip in here really quick and note, I'm surprised that no one mentioned the three kings of sampling: Hammer, Teddy Riley and Diddy.

These three have put more money in old school R&B pockets than anyone I know...

few of Hammers cuts:
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* Can't Touch This - hook from "Superfreak" by Rick James
* Pray -- hook from "When Doves Cry" by Prince
* Have You Seen Her-- hook from "Have You Seen Her" by the Chi-Lites
* Do Not Pass Me By--
* Turn This Mutha Out --

Diddy (His list is too large to mention, so here are a few, done by Diddy himself, or his artists)
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* It's Over Now --112 - hook by Grandmaster Flash and Furious Five's "White Lines, which is borrowed from a song I can't remember by a group called Liquid Liquid

* Mo' Money Mo Problems -- Notorious BIG - hook from "I'm Coming Out" by Diana Ross

* I'll Be Missing You - Diddy, Faith, 112 hook from "Every Breath You Take" by The Police
* One More Chance -- Notorious BIG-- hook from "Stay With Me" by Debarge
* Hypnotize - Notorious BIG --hook from "Rise" by Herb Alpert
* Playa Hater --Notorious BIG-- hook from "Hey Love" by the Delfonics
* You Bring Me Joy--Mary J. Blighe--Hook from "Ectasy, When You Lay Down next To Me" by Barry White
* I Can Love You--Mary J. Blige--hook from "Queen B*&^% by Lil Kim
* Not Tonight --by Lil Kim (did Diddy do this one?)--hook from "Ladies Night" by Kool and the Gang

Teddy Riley
*********************************************************
Rump Shaker -- Wrecks-N-Effect--hook by ? Anyone? I used to know, I don't remember at the moment...
* Don't Leave Me Girl--by Blackstreet--hook by "Stay With Me" by Debarge (more people have used this hook than you can ever imagined)
* No Diggity--Blackstreet--"Grandma's Hands" by Bill Withers

I'll be here all day...you get the point.

Gotta run..peace!

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 7:35:54 AM PDT
Andy B says:
Just a coupla' a corrections media - Hammer's Turn This Mother Out is a line taken directly from Parliament's "Give up the Funk (Tear the Roof of the Sucker)"

And - Blackstreet's "Don't Leave Me Girl" uses the very dominant opening riff of Debarge's "A Dream" - you may have been confusing the title with Mary J. Blige she sampled the same song as well (in addition to many others)

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 7:43:14 AM PDT
mediaagent says:
Andy,

I couldn't remember which one Turn this mother out is from..thanks.

and You are right, it is Debarge's "A Dream" I've always gotten those two song titles mixed.

That's why we have you around! LOL! :)

I really have to go..but this fourm is addicting...lol!

Take care!

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 8:21:12 AM PDT
Ms. 90 says:
Ashanti - Rain on Me - samples The Look of Love/Isaac Hayes
Mary J. Blige - My Life - samples In The Sunshine/Roy Ayers
Tevin Campbell - I Need You - Do It Til You're Satisfied/BT Express??

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 11:00:43 AM PDT
No, I'm not familiar with vertical Hold. But I just punched them up on Rhapsody and I'm listening to the one song they have on there, 'Blue Skies'. I think I'll look them up on imeem later. I'm liking this song!!! Thanks Eddie!

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 11:03:08 AM PDT
Wasn't there a big lawsiut over that? Or some other song she ripped off and didn't give credit for? Why would someone even try to get away with that? Besides the fact that it's very tacky!

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 11:04:50 AM PDT
Do you have the liner notes? I wonder if he gives credit to the Tempts? He doesn't seem like the type of artist to not not give credit where it's due.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 11:25:15 AM PDT
MzWriter4u says:
Alicia Keys - Like You'll Never See Me Again/ Prince - Beautiful Ones

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 3:34:16 PM PDT
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Stef says:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I remember that Jannet Jackson song, and I had an opposit experience. When I was first getting into all that 60's/70's music I heard a station play the America song,and I was thinking "What are they doing playing Jannet Jackson?" Lol! *laughs*

On the topic of samples in general, I've heard of stories where someone checked out the original version of a song because of a sample. One case in point is the sampling of Laura Nyro's "Save the Country." I read on a web cite that it had been sampled on a song that Kanye West recorded called "The Glory." Fast forward several weeks/months later... I'm on youtube listening to a live version of "Save the Country," and while skimming through the comments, I found that some of the youtube users had gone searching for the original because of the Kanye West sample. Even though I'm not someone who goes out and buys West's work all the time, I think this is a good thing he did, and when I found out about the sample I knew the song would sound good from a production standpoint, even if not from a lyrical standpoint. I heard the sample, and while I'm not crazy about him pitching it higher than it originally was--it makes her sound like a chip munk, but I will admit it's funny--I'm glad he's in his own way getting her name out there. He also seems to be giving credit where credit is due: She's listed among the co-writers. I'mokay with samples, if they're put to good use. I don't like the Jannet Jackson sample, because she rips off the introduction of the America song, fooling listeners in the process, but West takes the sample of "Save the Country" and seems to do something with it. "The Glory" also includes a sample from a 70's rock group called Mountain, but I didn't recognize that one. The only song by Mountain I know is "Mississippi Queen."

Sorry I'm rambling guys...

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 4:10:05 PM PDT
LOL! That's very funny Stef! You know a few months ago, 'If I Was Your Woman' was on in the car - the Gladys Knight version, and my 13 year old said, "what's Gladys Knight doing singing an Alicia Keys song?" Hahaha!

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 4:19:34 PM PDT
MzWriter4u says:
BEG,

Now that story about Gladys Knight was funny! Kids think they have the monoply on who made a song first.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 4:26:11 PM PDT
Stef says:
Hey Brown-eyed:

Did you see the rest of my post?

As far as the Jannet Jackson sample is concerned, it wasn't about who was singing, it was about what the radio station was playing.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 4:54:16 PM PDT
Yeah Stef, I knew what you were saying. But you know sometimes when you read something, something random pops into your head, and that's what popped into my head, lol. Btw, I agree with you completely about Janet using the intro of that song to trick people. And it worked, LOL! She totally tricked me! It doesn't really blend with the rest of the song, imo. At least I don't remember it blending. I can't stand to listen to it, so I guess I don't really remember, lol.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 5:03:44 PM PDT
Stef says:
Hahahahaha... I know what you mean. I might be giving away my age based on my view of sampling lol.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2008 5:04:36 PM PDT
SO TRUE! I swear, every 'kid' movie I take my kids to, has a soundtrack that consists almost entirely of remakes. Hardly any movie these days has an original song. So then my kids will start loving a song that was in a movie, and then I have to obnoxiously point out to them that the song they love is a song I liked in high school, lol. This always bums them out, LOL! or, they'll turn to me during a movie and say, that's such and such song you love. And then I'm so proud :) I've always loved 'Barracuda' by Heart. It was covered by Fergie (I think) in Shrek 3. My kids all looked at me and laughed when it came on during the movie. They've never liked that song, but suddenly it was kind of cool. Then, it became a song for Guitar Hero, and now they all have it on their i-pods, and it's their favorite, lol.

But then, my mom probably had the same experience with me :)
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