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Pearl Jam. Why don't they get the respect they deserve?


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Initial post: Mar 29, 2012 7:34:46 PM PDT
Captain says:
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Posted on Mar 29, 2012 7:59:15 PM PDT
alysha25 says:
Not sure why you think they don't get respect? The people on these forums seem to have their favorites though. I don't think grunge is really in right now. On Sirius radio there's a whole station devoted to just Pearl Jam. So they must be popular somewhere! Grunge isn't new anymore, but it's not quite old enough to be classic rock. So it exists in a grey area. At least that's my personal theory!

I Loved Pearl Jam - in the 90's. I still like them but am not as enthralled. I lost interest after "Vitalogy" . I Love that album. Just can't seem to get interested in their albums after that. However I just rediscovered 2 double album bootleg concerts I had on CD. These have since been made into legit CD's along with Bunches of other of their bootleg concerts. I ripped them to my computer.

As for current vs. past line-up, I admit, I'm woefully uninformed here. I'm not noticing any difference in the members you listed. Can you tell me what has changed? What do YOU think of them Then / Now?

Posted on Mar 29, 2012 8:39:58 PM PDT
Captain says:
Thanks for the comments. I come at this from the standpoint of someone who grew up in the Beatles/Stones/Who/Led Zep era and bemoaned the lack of good rock in the 80's until I started listening to FM stations again, determined to find some band to like. Daughter came on and my search was over. Their type of rock, what you call grunge, was quite varied in my opinion and didn't just sound like grunge but good old rock as well. They can do country, and ballads and obviously are great at covers of many artists but especially the Who.

And then there's their live performances. Best live band I've ever heard short of Live At Leeds and other Who concerts, and they still are. I prefer their live performances over their studio work.

Well, I guess they seem to me to be somewhat forgotten, and are the best and last rock band at this point in time, even if they've been around for a long time.

As to my reference to previous makeups, people tend to want to discuss the early Pearl Jam and/or Mother Dog Bone or Soundgarden etc but I wanted to focus on the long standing most popular lineup.

Posted on Mar 29, 2012 8:52:32 PM PDT
Pearl Jam was the IT band for most of the 90s so I dont know where the no respect thing comes from. I liked Alice In Chains and Pantera more but, Pearl Jam was solid.

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 1:38:08 AM PDT
PJ has a large following that love them very much. They still sell out venues without the benefit of monster hit albums like the old days. I really only liked the first three myself, but they still put on a good performance. I saw them in '05, I think, and they were great. Now, ready to have your head explode? I saw Motley Crue a few months later and thought their show was better. More of a rock and roll spectacle, you can imagine. I think I'm one of a small handful of people that could like both of those bands, and enjoy them both live.

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 4:56:32 AM PDT
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doodah man says:
Mother Dog Bone, lol, that's Mother LOVE Bone, of which Stone and Jeff were members along with front-man Andrew Wood, and Bruce Fairweather and Greg Gilmore. But I kinda like the name Dog Bone too.

See also:
Mudhoney (Mark Arm)
Green River (Arm Ament Gossard Fairweather)
Temple of the Dog (is that where you got 'Dog'?)
Soundgarden (Chris Cornell influence on above)

I'd get into more detail, but, I gotta go to work!

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 6:11:06 AM PDT
mac says:
I give them tons of respect. I still like them quite a bit - not as much as back then, but that's life. I recently saw the documentary about them and that rekindled my interest.

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 8:11:36 AM PDT
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vivazappa says:
I said the same thing after I saw them live...no respect!

I suppose they (incorrectly in my book) get stuck in the Seattle grunge catagory...they really are a straight up rock band.

Vedder is a great front man and their guitars splatter sound all over the place!

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 8:19:51 AM PDT
McCready should be way up on anyone's best guitarist list, he's a monster.

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 8:40:54 AM PDT
ulijon says:
I have not followed the last few albums except for Backspacer which I bought on vinyl, but saw them live in V.B. in 2000 and 2008 and both concerts were excellent!

Posted on Apr 1, 2012 9:25:16 PM PDT
Pearl Jam have slid back into being true artists who do not make/albums solely to make revenues. Yes, that is on their mind but it is clear that they do not go after having hit singles, having songs on big soundtracks, conveniently putting out music at certain times, etc. It helps that most of them have side projects which keeps them from more tired of each other than need be. Overall, I think that their lack of headlines and publicity has made it feel that they are fading away. However, they keep putting out albums and never seem to have issues with attendance at their live shows.

Posted on Apr 2, 2012 12:33:45 AM PDT
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Hinch says:
I hear The Pearl Jam station at work almost everyday. They do some good live covers. They've had a few songs I've liked over the years, I've always liked them to some extent, but they never have been one of my favorites. I bought a couple of the double live cds they put out in the late 90s, but ended up selling them.

Im not sure how you define "the respect they deserve". Their fans respect them, and I suppose I do too. I like Eddie's voice, but not always their songs. I suppose on the average, compared with most other bands today, I like them better than most.....but that's not saying a lot.

When your surrounded by turkeys it's easy to soar like an eagle.

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 12:29:22 AM PDT
Bob Bykowski says:
I think a lot of younger people have a hard time accepting the fact that Eddie Vedder actually respects and reveres older rockers like Springsteen and Townshend, and that he would like nothing more than to be a natural successor to their footsteps.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 4:46:49 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
Well said, Timothy, and I agree. Even when they were mega-popular back in the early 90's, Pearl Jam kind of railed against the corporate rock machine (see: the No Code album and their battles against Ticketmaster), so I'm sure they lost some of their shine with some segments of the music industry. That, combined with their desire to branch out and do more than just make "Ten" all over again every year or two has cost them some sales with more casual fans, but it's hard not to respect them for it. I'm not even a huge fan necessarily (I have 3-4 of their cd's but have never seen them live), but I've long felt we could use more bands/artists like Pearl Jam.

I kinda feel about Prince the same way Captain does about PJ and it's for pretty much the same reason: Prince went to battle with the industry too and was also hell-bent on making all kinds of music, not just Purple Rain remakes, so a lot of the casual fans have checked out and the general opinion of him out there is that he "lost it" and quit making good music, when the reality is, he's put out a few really solid albums in recent years (Musicology, 3121, MPLSound) and the last time I saw him live in 2004 was the best concert of his I've ever seen. But... he's also done a jazz influenced album (The Rainbow Children) and tour and instrumental albums (N.E.W.S.) and has released albums through some pretty non-standard channels (internet only, free giveaways in U.K. newspapers, etc.). So he's doing things his way instead of playing the game and as a result, the mainstream media just doesn't "get" it. That's ok though. I do.

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 4:53:23 AM PDT
D. Mok says:
Pearl Jam was popular, more popular than the hipper choices like Nirvana and Alice in Chains, so there's always going to be backlash. Eddie Vedder's vocal style is also not liked by everybody. Plus, social conscience and attempts at activism (Ticketmaster, refusing to make music videos etc.) will always rub some cynical rock fans the wrong way -- U2 being the prime example.

I haven't liked Pearl Jam's last four albums in a row, though. And please, no more endless live albums...

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 4:56:24 AM PDT
D. Mok says:
> I suppose they (incorrectly in my book) get stuck in the Seattle grunge catagory...they really are a straight up rock band.

Well, what is grunge? Sloppy punk with a funky groove, with angst-ridden lyrics and the '90s "slacker" fashion sense. Pearl Jam mostly fit except that it has a lead guitarist with heavy blues influences, a definite exception to the grunge model. Plus grunge tends to like lower rhythm guitars, while Pearl Jam used mostly riffs, and often higher up on the guitar neck.

Posted on Apr 7, 2012 3:18:54 PM PDT
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alysha25 says:
I really don't know exactly how to describe "grunge" but I DO know it when I hear it. It's a certain sound, and to me Pearl Jam IS grunge (along with Nirvana, Soundgarden , Alice in Chains). That is not to say that it isn't Also rock. It's a rock genre I s'pose.

edit: Just out of curiousity has anyone noticed or does anyone HAVE some or all of those bootleg concert PJ albums that are now all for sale here on amazon? There is something like 30 of them!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 9:49:52 PM PDT
Great SINGLES band. And alot of fun live.

Eddie likes to keep you out late.

Posted on Apr 8, 2012 1:15:03 PM PDT
R. Zormeir says:
The band seemed to wear a little thin for me, long about the time Yield showed up. The album was good enough, but I was no longer excited to hear their latest after that. I bought Binaural and Riot Act but didn't get particularly enthused about them.

I did love Eddie's comment a couple of years ago that the band was still together because they were still relevant... at least to themselves.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 8, 2012 5:10:08 PM PDT
Captain says:
I believe they are PJ official bootlegs. They did the tour recordings like that since they were going to get bootlegged antyway and to me it's their best stuff. I like Las Vegas, Milan Italy and the Boise and Seattle bootlegs the best.

Posted on Apr 8, 2012 6:07:56 PM PDT
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Posted on Apr 8, 2012 7:45:44 PM PDT
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D. Mok says:
> I bought Binaural and Riot Act but didn't get particularly enthused about them.

I'm a Pearl Jam fan, and I think those two albums are utter garbage, especially Binaural. Not a single halfway decent song on them. Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard and Eddie Vedder's songwriting were all dead in the water after Yield -- people who did know about Pearl Jam knew that Mike McCready wrote all of the best material on Yield (and there wasn't a great deal of good material on that record to begin with), a telling sign that the principle songwriters were just out of ideas. Gossard's "No Way" on Yield was just embarrassing.

And Tchad Blake's production work on Binaural is one of the worst rock production jobs in history. You can get better sound running a single Zoom recorder in a rehearsal studio.

Posted on Apr 9, 2012 9:49:42 AM PDT
I may be in the minority but I think "Pearl Jam" have gotten better as time has gone by.

Posted on Apr 9, 2012 10:08:34 AM PDT
To be devils advocate, Vedder does make it a little hard to understand the lyrics.
Solid band though. I don't think they're exactly the Rodney Dangerfield of grunge.

Posted on Apr 11, 2012 3:59:59 PM PDT
D. Mok says:
> To be devils advocate, Vedder does make it a little hard to understand the lyrics.

And Kurt Cobain was chock full of clear diction? Layne Staley? Mick Jagger? Robert Plant? Son House? It's not folk music with its careful, oh-so-precious enunciation.
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