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Ritchie Blackmore vs. Jimmy Page

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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2015 5:06:44 AM PDT
David hyslop says:
you are wrong about jon lord being the main song writer. In the 1960's lord led the band in 1969 blackmore took control and directed in rock and the rest is history

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2015 4:59:30 AM PDT
David hyslop says:
jimmy page stole from everyone the jeff beck album truth is the prototype for led zepp

Posted on Nov 19, 2014 11:49:41 PM PST
Hip O Critic says:
I was lucky enough to see both Deep Purple and Status Quo double billed in 2006. Steve Morse is a great guitarist however I wished it could have been Blackmore. I like Jimmy Page equally as a guitarist to Blackmore and really if you listen to "Since I've Been Loving You" vs "Lazy" it won't help to pick the better guitarist.

Posted on Nov 19, 2014 3:18:13 PM PST
maiden pa. says:
Blackmore.Listen to the solo on Highway Star. The first inkling of neoclassical guitar work. Purple at there best was short lived because of the breakup of Mark 2 DP. I love Zep however after Zep Page has done nothing worthwhile. Blackmore formed Rainbow which had a huge impact on the Metal scene. Blackmore always was hard to work with. Dio said Blackmore locked Carey in his room. Ritchie had a huge impact on Metal guitar. Not to say Page didn't. I wouldn't take one above the other. They both influenced music greatly.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2014 7:17:27 AM PST
JP says:
Actually Lord was the dominate one in the early days of DP. up to Concerto for Group and orchestra, the first with Gillan. It was his baby.

Blackmore started coming into his own with Gillan/Glover and In Rock.

Not saying he was just a hired gun, just saying Lord led the band in the early days.

And you should know this if you've read DP's history.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2014 7:12:51 AM PST
JP says:
'One was a magus and one was mercury'....LOVE IT!!

Very apt description!!

Seen Blackmore walk off stage several times for this or that (bad sound, bad mood, whatever) and always thought 'come on guy, you're supposed to be a PRO!! I didn't pay (whatver) and drive (however many) miles to see you, so you could behave like a child.

Just FYI - 3 with Purple (2 Gillan/1 Coverdale) and 3 with Rainbow (2 Dio/1 Turner)

Saw Led Zep once - June 1977

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2014 7:05:47 AM PST
JP says:
In the 70s Page wasn't so much 'phoning it in' as was greatly constrained my drugs and alcohol. This was blatantly obvious on the '79 Knebworth show.

This could be fixed in the studio, but not live.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2014 7:04:13 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 19, 2014 7:07:56 AM PST
JP says:
FYI - Gillan wasn't original, Gillan/Glover were MK II. They replaced Rod Evans and Nick Simpler (MK I did 'Hush', 'Mandrake Root', Wring That Neck' ,etc.)

Coverdale/Hughes was MK III.

But yes, Gillan is definitely the most popular DP singer. And one of my all time favorite singers.

His 79/early 80s albums (the band went by the name Gillan) Mr Universe , Glory Road-Ian Gillan , Future Shock , Double Trouble and Magic are MUST HAVES for any Gillan fan.

I also loved the CD he did with Sabbath, BORN AGAIN - BLACK SABBATH , and think it's criminally underappreciated!

Posted on Nov 19, 2014 6:51:09 AM PST
JP says:
Since I was a teenager in high school I have put it this way:

Blackmore is the better guitarist (especially live soloing - there's a reason there weren't a lot of live Led Zep albums until the last decade)

Page is the better composer

But K. Carter is right, there's not a lot of acoustic Blackmore stuff prior to Blackmore's Knight. LOTS of Page acoustic, including live.

And I haven't heard a lot of slide work from Blackmore either.

As for Trout Voice's post - I agree, isn't this like deciding between a Ferrari and a Lamborgini? I'll take either any day! : )

How many are old enough to remember the '70s high school smoking area debates? When you had your Led Zep group, your Deep Purple group, and your Sabbath group? (yes there were the Floyd groups, the prog groups, the Aerosmith group, but those were the 3 main hard rock/metal groups, endlessly debated)

I used to rotate between them, claiming `What's wrong with liking ALL THREE?!?! And by the way, I happen to like Blue Oyster Cult, UFO, Pat Travers and Rush too!! Got a problem with that?!?!?' : )

Posted on Nov 17, 2014 10:47:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 17, 2014 12:45:56 PM PST
One was a magus and one was mercury, but both [were] mythological IMO. Page teetered on the edge with the muse, in an inspired style that was reckless and in the moment, and when that method soared, it rocketed (likewise it could fall limp). Blackmore was more refined and consistent, and sheered my face off whenever I saw him live. It's the old question that will never be answered. Eddie Van Halen (wild style that backflips out of a speeding airliner) or Randy Rhoads (calculated precision that purrs and cuts like a knife)? David Gilmour...or Yngwie Malmsteen? Iommi...or Uli Roth?

Personally, as a player, I always found the neoclassical approach a bit easier to nail. It was more textbook, even if it was complicated. The wild bluesy styles contained something unknown that gave them their power and mystery, something that could not be transcribed and readily applied. Hendrix was most famous for that.

There is no ultimate standard. The answer to 'who's best' ultimately resides in the headphones and the legacy/longevity of the songs, of which all these players still reside neck-and-neck in one legitimate form or another. $0.02

Posted on Nov 16, 2014 9:35:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 17, 2014 11:36:14 AM PST
Blackmore and MANY others I would take over Page including-

Jimi Hendrix
Michael Schenker
Tony Iommi
Robin Trower
Rory Gallagher
Randy Rhoads
Gary Moore
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Dave Mustaine
Glenn Tipton
Eddie Van Halen
Jeff Beck
Johnny Winter
Buck Dharma
Ronnie Montrose
Dimebag Darrell Abbott
Marty Friedman
Alex Lifeson
Uli Jon Roth
Jeff Hanneman
Dave Murray
Adrian Smith
Yngwie Malmsteen

Posted on Nov 16, 2014 5:46:10 PM PST
Yup, it's gotta be Ritchie all the way!

Posted on Jul 28, 2009 1:15:52 PM PDT
J. Goldsmith says: was a heroin addict for many of the band's most productive years, and live bootlegs attest to how much he actually sucked. Jimmy was a truly great song writer, even a great plagiarizer, as we all know now, but never a master at the guitar. The other guy has not been a drug abuser, and is eternally hated by half the people he has played with, but has a set of fingers with their own brain. Ritchie could easily play Jimmy's stuff even if he were dead, but would die, a second time, from boredom while doing it, while Jimmy probably couldn't handle a DP or Rainbow song beyond humming it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 28, 2009 1:09:04 PM PDT
J. Goldsmith says:
Wow, you've read nothing about DP's history, have you? Stupid response, and untrue.

Posted on Jul 27, 2009 7:09:47 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 27, 2009 7:11:42 PM PDT
I have attended concerts of Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple & Rainbow.
Jimmy, is fine, but many other guitarists have impressed me greater in a live setting.
The Rainbow show of summer 1976, at the Berkeley Community Theater, featured some of the greatest playing that I ever witnessed. Robin Trower at Winterland 1974, was the greatest player I got to see in a live concert setting, Ritchie in Berkeley, is right behind him in second place.
Blackmore, is wasting his time in his current band......get rid of the lutes and rock Ritchie!

Posted on Jul 27, 2009 7:28:21 AM PDT
Hip O Critic says:
I can't pick a winner here so I'll just enjoy their music.
Blackmore is a superb guitarist, particularly "Child In Time" and "Lazy". His other stuff is not far off the mark either.
Page is brilliant and quite contrasting - "Heartbreaker", "Stairway to Heaven", "Since I've Been Loving You", "Gallows Pole" and "Tangerine" are examples of his versatility.

Posted on Jul 24, 2009 4:32:40 AM PDT
Jimmy James says:
This one is easy...

I'll go with Smokin' Joe Frazier in the 5th-Round, by a TKO.

Woops,... wrong thread,...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 24, 2009 4:22:03 AM PDT
Zaplightning says:
yes craig, tony iommi.......i was fortunate enough to see jimmy and tony live a few times, all three had very uniqe styles, sounds....matter of fact, i witnessed iommi from 3rd row, he dosen't have the body movement like jimmy and ritchie, yet he shreds that axe.....was amazeing.......i gave the nod to jimmy because he ripped that violin bow...jeff beck is real cool favorite of all time, frank marino...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2009 11:42:56 PM PDT
L. Morsette says:
Jimmy Page... his texture & coloring in the rhythm sections of most Zep's songs was amazing, while Blackmore basically thumped on one or two strings which comprised most of his rhythm section, relying heavily on Lord's amazing synth work, as well as Paice and Glover's groove. Blackmore's lead's were his strong point and what he looked forward to, as a point of contention in every song. The live shows only accentuated his showcase moments... the ego flourishing, but his playing was so precise and technical, while page was a bit sloppy in his leads in the live arena, but he had to cover a lot of sound when Jones was only covering on the bass. In the studio Pagey authored some of the greatest lead breaks of all time. ...and Blackmore has some awesome leads also. But... Page for the overall contribution to song writing and the musical contributions to the whole song...

Posted on Jul 23, 2009 11:23:32 PM PDT
Page had a very diverse set of talents on the guitar, although he "borrowed" a lot! (Aside from the well known stealing of blues songs - some of which battles I believe were won in court - compare, for example, "Black Mountain Side" to Bert Jansch's "Black Waterside" from 1966, it's pretty much an uncredited cover!)

But what about Blackmore? He's more multi-dimensional than he gets credit for. There's country tinges on "Anyone's Daughter", lots of classical references, blues and funk leanings in the non-Gillan Purple; and while Zep's metal is pretty much derived from heavy blues and Cream, Purple seems to have laid down the groundwork for power and progressive metal in the early 70s and I don't know of any blueprint for this before them! Plus, while Page has spent much of the last 20 years living in nostalgia land (e.g. Jimmy Page playing Zeppelin stuff with the Black Crowes), Blackmore has pretty much totally reinvented himself with renaissance-rock (so much for Page having the folk edge on Blackmore), and done it brilliantly - the guitar work on these albums is tasteful and fluid.

This is not to bash Page, who has given us a lot of great and influential music, but just to point out that Blackmore, although less lauded in the mainstream, can certainly offer as much in diversity and influence!

Personally, I like Zep, but I love Purple (to a large degree due to Jon Lord's fantastic organ playing, also), and I'm a huge fan of Blackmore's Night, too, of which I'd recommend "Ghost of A Rose" or "Under A Violet Moon" to start out - UAVM has a great diversity of songs, while GOAR is just very lovely music.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2009 10:46:21 PM PDT

Agreed, both are great. Jimmy was very instrumental in codifying electric blues into the hard rock vocabulary, as well as Celtic folk music, by way of John Renbourn and Bert Jansch. Blackmore on the other hand was one of the first shredders, using neo-classical and neo-baroque scales, and a singing, violin-like tone and attack. Add in Tony Iommi's thick crunch and you have the trio of guitarists who were most influential on later generations of metallurgists. Oh yeah, Jeff Beck was probably the greatest of them all.

Posted on Jul 23, 2009 3:26:50 PM PDT
Zaplightning says:
both guys are great......i'm a big fan of both.......i'll go with jimmy

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2009 12:28:12 AM PDT
Mark White says:
Great comeback Christopher, I'm in total agreement.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 22, 2009 9:48:00 PM PDT
Ehhh...Page was great, Blackmore was good but tempermental and they both could have the floor wiped with them by guys like Trey Anastasio of Phish, Hendrix, Jeff Beck and a few others. So they're both very good but there's better

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 22, 2009 9:03:51 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 22, 2009 9:04:14 PM PDT
Working Man says:
Still Blackmore, though Zeppelin and Purple are my two favorite bands of all time.
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