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Initial post: Feb 23, 2012 7:37:57 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2012 12:52:40 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
Hey Folks,

I'm always looking for "good" documentary, performance or combination of both in movies by and about rock and roll and other types of artists. This is kind of a selfish thread for me. I really like, like I said, "good" band movies. Unlike music, for me there are not that many, or as many as there could be, good band movies, especially in the performance area. So I'm basically trying to get any suggestions.

Here are a few I like. There are more but it's late and I'm lazy.

You need to be careful also. Out in DVD land are many, many terrible band documentaries. I think it's because it's easier to make one without the bands permission, as long as you don't use to much of their music. I've seen a couple of Led Zeppelin where they don't even talk to the band and it's all people who mostly have never even meet the band and there was not even LZ music in it. Not just R&R either. I've seen good documentaries of Woodie Guthrie, Billie Holiday, etc.

Anyway, if you know any, good and bad, let's talk about them if you want.

Performance:
Led Zeppelin - DVD - Just one of the best band concert videos.

Frank Zappa - Baby Snakes - Talent in Zappa and the band, Humor, behind the scenes sickness

Jeff Beck - Live At Ronnie Scotts - Lil Tal's just a cutie and good bass player too...Jeff is right on also. Some big names in the audience also...I saw Robert Plant. Page was suppose to be there, I haven't found him yet.

Genesis - Shepperton - 16mm - Boot that is everywhere and so far the only early Genesis show I've found. Hear huge applause, but they're on a sound stage with just a few people around. Good, fun looking performance. You can tell they are partaking in Mother Earth.

Performance Mostly/Some Documentary

Woodstock - The beginning of quality music performance movies

Rolling Stones - Altamont - Historical and Hysterical.

Kiss - 74-77 - Good performances for their energy. Not much interested in them after this.

Documentary

Rush - Beyond The Lighted Stage - So interesting I gave them a break for the lack of complete music performances. Although they had some great early Rush.

Metallica - Some Kind of Monster - Shows why St Anger sux to me.

Whata think?

Sorry, I stuck this in the "Rock" forum by mistake. Not sure how to move it to maybe the "Music" forum
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Posted on Feb 23, 2012 7:58:20 PM PST
i like them alot. i don't like alot of live shows, but zep of course was one of the bands that was even gooder live :) i also love some kind of monster. shows the crap they went through (i love st. anger!)

dio-evil or divine
rainbow-live in munich '77
woodstock (a classic)
iron maiden-live after death
metallica-s & m
marilyn manson-guns god and government
neon nights-heaven and hell
blackmore's night-castles and dreams

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 7:59:25 PM PST
Gena Chereck says:
I haven't seen many concert films, but I love Jonathan Demme's 'Neil Young: Heart Of Gold' -- the first half has Neil performing his then-new album, 'Prairie Wind,' while he brings out the classics (including "Heart of Gold" and "The Needle and the Damage Done") for the latter half. The whole thing looks and sounds great, I think. :)

I saw that Rush docu on VH1 Classics once -- I'd had no idea how many of their songs I already knew and liked ("Closer to the Heart," "The Spirit of Radio," "Freewill," "Tom Sawyer," "Subdivisions," etc.)! They seemed like nice guys too -- Neil Peart struck me as an especially interesting character, plus I love his lyrics to "Limelight"...

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 8:01:29 PM PST
i like rush the live album exit stage left was awesome. but i didn't care for snakes and arrows.

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 8:09:24 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
Gena: Yeah that NY movie was good. Actually rented it from the local library to watch it.
I put the Rush guys on another thread as guys I'd like to hang out with. They all seem smart and cool and laid back.

JH: I don't like (not hate) St Anger. Maybe I need to start "I Hate St Anger" thread. I'm one of them "narrow minded" pre-black album fans. I can't really explain why. I describe it to my youngest son (my other youngest son) as erratic and it just made me nervous. No smooth flow in most of the songs. He seemed to understand. I would like to check out that Blackmore's Night. Saw a small part of it. Looked interesting.

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 8:11:03 PM PST
blackmore's night is soooooooooooo goooooooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and i wouldn't start a st. anger thread. like with the beatles, i know i'm outnumbered. best keep quite :)

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 8:13:56 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
OooKaaay!
I'm sorta getting enough of the Hate threads anyway, except when I can talk with our buddy.

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 8:22:01 PM PST
no ones ever gonna just get it. there's no reason to fight about it, you're not gonna change anything! so zz is raking leaves your line of work?

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 8:45:23 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
JH: I wish it was that easy. I actually need a little book learning to do some of my work. Not yesterday. Drove 20 miles, unloaded my tools, go in, replace a fuse, paper work, go home. The travel, loading, and paperwork probably took 10 time as long as the actual job. If they could all be that way.

Back to Blackmore...There is one of those musicians that does what he feels and believes in and it shows in the quality of whatever he is doing. Here is someone who will quit a group that is huge and he helped found because he didn't "feel" or like the direction it was going. I have in the past accused him of being arrogant, along the lines of Pete Townsend (still think he's a butthole, but I still like a bunch of The Who stuff), but I'm changing my mind now. I'm going right out, or click over to my "cart" and get that B. Night DVD. People complain about others still liking the old stuff of the 60s...try going back a few hundred years in style.
Go Ritchie...Do what you like and you can't help but be good or at least honest.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 8:58:36 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
Page/Plant Unledded
I saw the tour for this. It was way good. Like 40 musicians on stage and all were tight and on. A lot of Zep fans didn't like this for various reasons. One being the change in sound of the old songs. I say go for it for the same reason as above. They looked to me to be playing like they wanted it and felt it. The one in the market place in I think Morocco, is kinda strange. I wonder what those folks were thinking.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 9:08:28 AM PST
mac says:
I enjoyed "Kill Your Idols". Don't know how accurate of a portrayal of New York's music scene it paints, but there is some good footage with Lydia Lunch, Sonic Youth and Gogol Bordello.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 9:20:03 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
Check out "Hype!". It's pretty good doc on the rise of Grunge from people and musicians from the original scene. I like the part where they basically laugh at the "fans" dressing up in the grunge "uniform" of flannel and holey jeans. They said they dress that way personally to freaking stay warm and it's all they could afford. Not much love for the copiers either.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 9:46:42 AM PST
The Peter Bogdanovich documentary about Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers called "Runnin' Down A Dream" is very funny & informative film. It also has plenty of Live footage as well as songs performed on TV shows. Lots of interveiws with other artist also.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 9:59:50 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
Good To See You Again - Alice Cooper - 1973 - Original lineup and pretty good video quality. Coulda done without the cutaway stuff. What could you possibly cut away to, from an Alice show, that could have been more interesting than The Alice Show?

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 10:58:18 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2012 11:04:30 AM PST
Michael Ary says:
Gary Moore's "Gary Moore & The Midnight Blues Band - Live at Montreux 1990" is outstanding.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 11:02:32 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
One of the goodest geetar players ever. That's not my half a&& opinion, that's a full a&& fact.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 11:06:20 AM PST
Michael Ary says:
You got that AbSOlutely right, Zz.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 11:07:53 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
He reminds of one my other lesser known "to the masses" guitar players...Roy Buchanan.
I have yet to find any live Roy Buchanan. Any ideas anyone?

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 11:23:57 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2012 11:25:14 AM PST
Michael Ary says:
Roy Buchanan was a great guitarist for sure. He was an early pioneer of the Telecaster sound. He named his 1953 Fender Telecaster "Nancy." He had a direct influence on such noted guitarist as Gary Moore and Jeff Beck. In fact, Beck dedicated his version of "Cause We've Ended As Lovers" from Blow by Blow to him. Jimi Hendrix considered Roy so exceptional he wouldn't take up the challenge of a 'pick-off' with Roy. Sadly, he died of apparent suicide (still hotly debated) in a jail cell on 14 August 1988 in the Fairfax County, Virginia Jail.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 11:45:01 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
Yeah, he had quit the personal life. I remember him being called "the best unknown guitarist in the world".

Thanks for bringing him back into my head.

I actually just found these on Amazon:
Buchanan, Roy - Rockpalast 60 mins
Live From Austin Texas - 32 mins

Way to short though. Still might get them.
There are some clips on You Tube that look good.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 12:26:24 PM PST
Rolling Stones -Shine a Light. I saw on an Imax screen ,WOW it was pretty close to being at the show.
The Band- Last Waltz
Led Zep- Song Remains The Same

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 1:26:23 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2012 1:30:18 PM PST
Monterey Pop
Janis: The Way She Was (Janis Joplin)
Festival Express
The Beatles Anthology
The U.S. vs. John Lennon

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 2:04:30 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
Festival Express - Great One!
I still haven't been able to wrap my mind around the mind set of the "you owe us free music" crowd in this one. This one is historic when you see all those legends in one place, just chilling and partying in one place.

Can I ask how was the Janis: The Way She Was? Is there anything new that someone who knows her already somewhat, may find interesting. It's difficult to find new Bio's on someone like a Janis, Jimi, Zeppelin that hasn't already been told.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 7:11:42 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
JH: Watching "Metal: A Head Bangers Journey". Once I get past the labels (way to many), it's a good doc. of metal. Dang, Dio, I knew he was short, but dang...when he stands by a full grown adult...and that voice from that little body. This, as with most entire genres of music, can't be done justice in a 2 hour show. Heck, even Sam Dunn's metal series was great, but could have used more episodes. I want a "rock and roll" history channel. Continuous concerts, docs., OK even some behind the whatever if it is related to R&R. No, don't call it VH1 anything and eventually turn it over to Lady Ga Ga or Rap or "Real" anything. MTV is the Real "whatever", Rap channel, VH1 is the current pop channel, VH1 Classic is cool at times, but they have been playing "Pretty In Pink" a lot lately. WTF! I feel silly whining about what MTV and VH1 is playing at my Oldtimer Age, but us Oldtimers watch the boob tube too. Some of you yangsters may benefit also. A little rock and roll prejudice may not be a bad thing sometimes. That's my rant and that's what 2 1/2 Yuenglings will do. Nite, Nite All!

Posted on Feb 24, 2012 7:17:58 PM PST
hey zz, i saw that doc and really liked it (never knew the norweigen black metal people were so weird...) but that same guy has a show now called "metal evolution" it's kinda like what you were talking about...
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