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What;s this "rock music" I keep hearing old people talk about?

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Initial post: Feb 8, 2012 4:03:17 PM PST
I keep hearing elderly people in their 30's talk about listening to bands in the 90's. These bands seemed to be a group of people who met and started making music and found success without being on a TV contest or being actors in sitcoms ! And the bands consisted of people who could play instruments,.. had a variety of musical influences,.. and often wrote songs with rebellious attitudes or expressed angst!

I was also shocked to find out that the vocals weren't always the main focus of the music! WTF!?!

Songs would often have whole parts with nothing but music playing! And some tracks on an album would not even have vocals!

They also said that the lyrics were sometimes poetic and used lots of imagery and could sometimes be open to interpretation! And that some bands had vocals that you couldn't always understand!!

They weirdest thing of all is that lots of people (especially teens) liked this "rock music"! (or so they said)

Is any of this true? If so, where is this "rock music" and it's fans now? Did a big asteroid hit the Earth and kill them all like the dinosaurs? It's hard to imagine. Old people say the weirdest things....

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 4:44:42 PM PST
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Posted on Feb 8, 2012 4:46:34 PM PST
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Posted on Feb 8, 2012 5:25:35 PM PST
Rock music died because we took it for granite.

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 5:28:22 PM PST
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Posted on Feb 8, 2012 5:45:02 PM PST
someone playing with a thread got caught up and tangled in two one is an old girl; and the other was born in 1992/ You know what; I was teaching high school in the eighties and a girl held up her hand to ask me to confirm her side of a bet. "Paul McCartney was in a band before wings, right?" I thought that was a joke but much better than this.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2012 6:45:41 PM PST
re: "Paul McCartney was in a band before wings, right?"

I heard that joke on a Billy Crystal album back in the 80s - I bet that's where she got it.

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 6:59:26 PM PST
Well stated by the original poster. I was thinking the same thing the other day when listening to the remastered CD of Smashing Pumpkins, 'Siamese Dream'. Some good US Rock bands from the 90s like Afghan Whigs, The Dandy Warhols, Nirvana NIN, Soundgarden, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Green Day, Tool, etc.. Lots of great rock music from the UK in the 90s; Radiohead-when they were a rock band, Blur(Brit Pop of the Kinks), Suede(Glam Rock of Bowie), OASIS(re-arranging the Beatles chords, but they made some great rock anthems), Manic Street Preachers, Spiritualized, The Verve, Pulp, The Charlatans, Placebo, Stereophonics, Gene(Smiths clones but just as brilliant), Portishead, Mansun, Supergrass, James, Mogwai(Post Rock).

The last 12 years have not been good for bands(who play real instruments-thanks Guitar Hero) to find a lot listeners as the mainstream has been diluted by pop music that is just mindless beats and electronic. Even the best Hip-Hop songs in the 90s had sampled great Funk songs from the past as Funk Bands where there were musicians who play actual instruments died out in the 80s. At least there still is Bootsy Collins and Prince playing real Funk music.

For Rock music the last 12 years have at least given us MUSE, Porcupine Tree(although I prefer their 90s releases of more atmospheric rock), Arcade Fire, Spoon, Doves, Elbow, Kasabian, The Twilight Singers(Greg Dulli's band after he ended the Afghan Whigs from the 90s), Arctic Monkeys, Franz Ferdinand, The Rapture, Interpol, Editors, White Lies, The Klaxons, Howling Bells, The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Secret Machines, TV on the Radio, VAST, The Dears, The National, Of Montreal, The Mars Volta, to name a few bands. Even the last U2 release(No Line on the Horizon) was a better offering then their prior 2 releases.

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 7:18:47 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
One thing that makes me want to slap the living crap out of someone is when they are ask something or told something, their answer is "Humf, I wasn't even alive then." If they were joking, OK, but I have actually received that answer in a serious tone. For me, that is a dangerous attitude for other areas other than music.

I remember when you could listen to a song and actually pick out the guitars, bass, drums, etc... Not some big wall of sound that just changes speed and tone.

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 8:15:11 PM PST
Bang Your Head, hard, really hard with a rock.

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 8:28:16 PM PST
ZzBridges says:
OK but "This Is Gonna Hurt" Sixx A.M.

Oops, wrong forum.

Posted on Feb 8, 2012 8:39:42 PM PST
Rock music has died several times but has always came back bigger and better. When a genre gets overly commercialized and diluted, this inevitably happens. In the late 70's, it was "Punk Rock" and the "New Wave Of British Metal" that rejuvenated Rock. In the late 80's, it was Thrash Metal and Alt Rock. In the early 90's, it was Grunge. Right now, is just an incredibly weak period for "Rock"....mainstream-wise.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 4:26:27 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2012 4:27:25 AM PST
Good point, Jay. I'll also add that because of improved lines of communication between band and audience (i.e the internet), it's easier than ever to find good music if you're willing to look. As I write this, I imagine a really kickbutt band that nobody's heard of uploading one of their songs for all to hear. Rock hasn't died, it's just gone into hiding. Personally, I've discovered more great new bands in the past decade than in the 80s and 90s combined (don't ask me to prove that - it's just a rhetorical statement to make a point). Granted, they're more on the "strange band" side of things, but I'll bet that there's the same kind of underground "critical mass" approaching for basic guitar rock.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 6:57:23 AM PST
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Up 2 Late says:
While I'm sad to say I have no deep philosophical input to add to this discussion, I just popped in to say I thoroughly enjoyed Psycho's original post. I like to have a good chuckle to start my day and Psycho's post gave me just that :) I will admit what I consider 'good' Rock music is not in abundance these days, but it is still out there. I still find myself hearing a song for the first time and being happy to hear something new that I actually like [even from bands I have enjoyed for years.] They're just few and far between.
So to answer your question Psycho: Yes everything you heard is true!!!!!!!! The 'fans' are alive and well and right here. If you ask nicely, we might even tell you where we're hiding all the 'good' Rock music.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 8:49:36 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
Metalhead, Goat and Late, good points. I find some of my stuff from word of mouth but a lotta times I use sites where you order music and they offer the "Other customers liked this". Sometimes there are some strange comparisons but many times there are some good ones. I'd be willing to bet that there are "new" bands out there that cover most past genres (Punk, New Wave Metal, 60's, 70's, etc....). They like that genre and just want to perpetuate it. Are they all good, heck no!! We just have to look. They may be a band that plays classic music after the fact and may already be a classic band themselves, but we have The Black Crowes (just one obvious example). On some other forum I saw a post that made good sense. I think the jist was....These are different times. Bands promote differently, they distribute differently and most will be good "underground" bands for their entire career. I kinda like that. I can't count how many shows I missed before the internet, because the artist wasn't big enough to be mentioned on the local radio station. I would go to school or work and someone would go, "Hey man did you see that show?" and that would ruin the rest of my day. I live 2 hours in either direction from Atlanta, Charlotte, Columbia and 3.5 from Knoxville (Find Waldo) and I would miss good shows in the next freaking county. Anyway, "Things Are Changing" - Gary Clark Jr. (I just this minute found him. Good basic old school funky, folky, soul from a new guy) I prefer to get on "The Festival Express" - Various(Great DVD) and enjoy the ride......Peace, Man!

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 9:05:54 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2012 9:07:14 AM PST
zz i just about died laughing when u posted that thing about sixx am and the wrong forum! anyone else think that the band "Workhorse 3" will be the band that brings good rock n roll back? what do we have now? five finger death punch? disturbed? although we have some good rock acts like wednesday 13, i have really high hopes for workhorse 3

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 9:24:48 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
I checked them out. They are great. They could have been big in '78, '79, '80. The only problem is "They probably weren't even born yet". And I can here a guitar, a bass, drums, etc.... Her voice sounds to me what I think Patti Smith's voice might have sounded in her teens.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 9:28:48 AM PST
i can't wait for the new album. supposed to come out this year. and i equally hate it when i don't know something about classis rock and everybody says "oh you weren't even born yet you wouldn't know..." to that i say "yeah? i know more about zep, ritchie blackmore, and ac/dc than you, and everyone you know" i get really sick of it. i'm what.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 9:47:00 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
You need to do like I saw Cartman do last night. Freeze yourself and get Butters to wake you when it's out. Just make sure he marks the spot.
I'm a bit older, but I feel fortunate to still have the curiosity to investigate the new and still enjoy the old. You know you're old when you lose
the interest in today and what is to come. That's the limit of my philosophizing for today.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 9:48:47 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2012 10:54:03 AM PST
Rock music started when bands like Gene Vincent and Elvis, unsupervised, were acting unbehaved in front of a mixed crowd, causing their guitarist to turn their amps up way past what the manufacturer recommeded, and a THROBBING drum beat of jungle origin caused primal, sexual urges, fueled by, possibly...ALCOHOL, to where even ugly guys with nerdy glasses may have been lucky to have had paternaty suits slapped on them. Then, Jim Marshall made it a massacre of potential, global tinnitus. I believe it was started by some lady named Bo Diddley from Muddy Waters. They have some noisy dog or something, because I keep hearing about a Howling Wolf. Sounds like a bad neighborhood to me.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 10:30:22 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
What?...Huh???...You talking to me?

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 12:01:07 PM PST
Bklyn-Born says:
I think The Pete Townsend said it best, when he wrote:

Down at the Astoria the scene was changing,
Bingo and rock were pushing out X-rating,
We were the first band to vomit in the bar,
And find the distance to the stage too far,
Meanwhile it's getting late at ten o'clock,
Rock is dead they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

People walk in sideways pretending that they're leaving,
We put on our makeup and work out all the lead-ins,
Jack is in the alley selling tickets made in Hong Kong,
Promoter's in the pay box wondering where the band's gone,
Back in the pub the governor stops the clock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

Landslide, rocks are falling,
Falling down 'round our very heads,
We tried but you were yawning,
Look again, rock is dead, rock is dead, rock is dead.

The place is really jumping to the high-watt amps,
'Til a 20-inch cymbal fell and cut the lamps,
In the blackout they dance right into the aisle,
And as the doors fly open even the promoter smiles,
Someone takes his pants off and the rafters knock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 12:11:08 PM PST
I have a son who just turned twelve and what he asked for was all the beatles music I could find (Couldn't afford it all so he drew some college money out and bought the rest. He still doesn't have it all but he knows more about them than I do and I was sitting in front of a black and white TV watching Ed Sulliven with my family of nine. I was nine. Number nine...number nine (scuse tangent) He has also gotten into Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd; few others that I grew on and grew on me. He doesn't listen to anything recorded since he was born except a little John Mayer. I'm not saying there aren't a few good rockers under thirty but it has been fun watching his transition. He does rank in the top 1/10 of 1% in the nation in scholastices; that is to say he could probably get into a ranked college right now if we were trying to parade him around. No. He said "you and your generation were so lucky, it was so real back then." 10 year old diva daughter yelling at him to turn it down. Yeah, it was real and he is intent on digging it and digging through the archives. Good music makes you smart unless you imbibe drastically while listening, then it's a wash, awash. CP Sumpter

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 12:19:49 PM PST
your lucky to have a kid like that cp. my dad got me into zep when i was 13 (only 4 years ago) which was my gateway into my love for music!

Posted on Feb 9, 2012 12:33:44 PM PST
Bklyn-Born says:
I tried to steer my son to the good side of the force (he still likes the Beatles); had him into Deep Purple, Dream Theater..but (sniff!) he went over to the dark side; rap & hip-hop (gasp!)..he's 14.
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