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Fans of k-dramas... please help

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Posted on Jul 4, 2016 3:12:16 PM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
So I watched the first episode of "Prince of Wolf", and well it is going to be the first and last episode I watch of this. The level of cringe worthy cheesiness, and nonsensical plot is just too much for me to take. I guess there is one silver lining to this, and that it is good to know right away if a drama is worth it or not, as opposed to those dramas that start out good (and lead me to waste time on them) and then fall apart.

Posted on Jul 1, 2016 1:55:29 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 1, 2016 1:56:52 PM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
Quote: "I'll never fangirl an artist for who they are as a person (because I can never truly know who they are as a person, from afar), only on a strictly egocentric and superficial level, as eyecandy or for their ability/talent to inhabit a role, to perfectly become a movie/drama character, to sing a perfect song."

I agree with this, and that is why I am not interested in the artists' personal lives as long as they commit no crimes and/or do something repulsive, because then it kind of taints whatever artistic work they have done previously, and then it gets messy trying to separate the previous good art from the artist.

Jennifer I hope you're right about them just being business partners because that's my feeling too, but then again one never really knows...

Anyways back to dramas, I've started reading "Happy Marriage" the manga (so I can then compare it to the drama), and so far I am enjoying it - it is a mixture of romance/comedy/drama, the romance in this one is on the steamier side (similar to romance books), but so far is tastefully done.

Posted on Jul 1, 2016 12:35:01 PM PDT
I would hazard a guess, that at best the members of JYJ are amiable business partners. I doubt they spend their free time with each other any more than I did with my coworkers.

But prostitution in Korea is widespread and rape is widely underreported, so I doubt many kpop idols are innocent like their label's suggest.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 11:52:28 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 1, 2016 11:54:06 AM PDT
Adnana says:
D.M.: "...if something major breaks out about him ... then I will have to give up listening to his solo music..."
In all fairness, I doubt that any celebrity stays 100% clean throughout her/his entire life (even current big-name K-artists were likely supported by sponsors when they first debuted; talent and looks alone aren't enough to become an A-lister)--it's just a few "unlucky" ones (and who have the weakest "backing") that ever get outed. Are the known sinners more deserving of condemnation--just because they're known--than rumored sinners who may be even dirtier but are better protected and thus haven't been comprehensively exposed (yet)?
I don't think there's an easy answer, so I'd rather not answer at all. Still, it's not like I'll stop watching all movies and dramas, and stop listening to all music (because for any movie/drama/song, at least one of the creators/artists involved, it may be safely assumed, is tainted one way or another; we just don't know in what way), and I'd rather not be a hypocrite. I'd rather not know or care about the private lives of celebrities at all. I do hope that if they are found to be guilty of criminal acts, they get punished by law same as any other criminal, and I'll certainly think that they are despicable human beings--but I've decided, maybe, I should try to compartmentalize? Separate the (tainted) artist from the (untainted) art they created in the past, if that art brought me joy? I'll never fangirl an artist for who they are as a person (because I can never truly know who they are as a person, from afar), only on a strictly egocentric and superficial level, as eyecandy or for their ability/talent to inhabit a role, to perfectly become a movie/drama character, to sing a perfect song.
In particular, drama characters are, thank goodness, nothing like the actors playing them (drama heroes and heroines are always people that we can root for, right?). Like, I don't want to see PSH or YC on a variety program or meet them in real life, but I loved the H in "Princess' Man" and I loved the H in "Family's Honor". I can't deny that those dramas are now a bit tainted in my eyes (I'm human, after all), but I'm actually working to surpass that. I haven't deleted them, at any rate, and because I still remember them as favorites, I'll watch them again one day.
Sorry for the long, off-topic post.

Posted on Jul 1, 2016 9:06:20 AM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
Wow, I never knew that crazy stalker fans know things about their idols/singers that they bury. Now to your points, the first point might be possible but so far it is nothing more than speculation and rumor. Now if something solid comes out, then that's another story. The second point is fine by me, as long as no one gets hurt. The third point gives me a bit of a pause, but I read that the stalker fan admitted that the incident was fake, but this is in the grey area. The fourth point though, wow if Jaejoong really said that then it shows a complete lack of empathy :(

Anyways what this shows me is that Jaejoong can be a big jerk sometimes; but sexual assault which the other two are accused of, is on a different level. I continue to like his solo music (voice/talent), but if something major breaks out about him (which unfortunately seems more likely to me now), then I will have to give up listening to his solo music - and be in the same boat as you guys who had to give up some dramas that you really like.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 7:24:07 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 26, 2016 11:32:43 PM PDT
Adnana says:
I didn't really want to get into this, curse my gossipy tongue. Oh well.
First of all, I wasn't referring to the "us bandmates are all perfect besties 4eva" fairytale that K-groups like to sell to their fans even if really the bond between the members amounts to nothing more than a business relationship. But longtime fans of a group always know the truth (and given the repulsive, invasive saesang culture in S.Korea they also usually have a lot of dirt on the members that they stalk). They just don't actually *tell* the truth, and when rumors or unsightly truths surface, they ignore it, shield it, bury it (the DBSK fandom had a reputation for being particularly, um... dedicated, apparently, and later the JYJ fandom). The casual fans and general populace don't find out until a big scandal blows up, that can't be shielded (though the most hardcore fans may still try), like it happened now with YC.
Anyways... I don't know very many particulars about JYJ, because I plain don't care (wasn't even a casual fan). What I did happen to stumble upon in the comments section as I was reading about YC's scandal is this: (1) YC and JJ are apparently good friends, very close/similar supposedly. Hence the "soulmate pairing" label given by fans (notice that Junsu isn't included here; he isn't known to hang out as much with the other two, because he doesn't drink, apparently). If JJ and YC have known each other for 10+ years and often (or even just sometimes) went drinking together, at the very least I consider it unlikely that JJ had no clue about YC's bathroom activities (according to victim testimonies, YC likes to brag, right?). But of course, JJ has been in the army for a while now, and the charges against YC at least so far refer to a fairly recent timeframe--so JJ might have dodged a bullet with his confinement to army barracks (the friends accompanying YC on the occasions being investigated have been called for questioning).
(2) JJ likes women a lot, if you get my meaning (nothing wrong with that, if he isn't hurting anyone)
(3) JJ and YC got into an altercation with insistent fans a while back (where they became physically violent) that got buried by fans (caveat: saesangs are truly awful and invasive)
(4) JJ had, at one time, some awful things to say about handicapped people/homeless people/beggars. Direct quote from some post(?) of his (translated from Korean): "You funny and shameless man.. Ever since I was born not even once did I think about you with pity.. You who has no strength, no courage, shamelessly begging.. Jerks without legs too, jerks missing half of their bodies too.."
There might be other rumors, but less substantiated.

Posted on Jul 1, 2016 6:33:27 AM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
I like Jaejoong, he is my favorite k-singer (in his solo works). However "soulmate" or whatnot, to my knowledge those things tend to be marketing ploys, because for some reason k-fans like this silly/stupid idea that group mates or band mates are "soulmates" instead of business partners. To my knowledge JYJ members had more solo activities than group activities in the last few years. Also so far, I haven't read anything about Jaejoong being with Yoochun in those places were the sexual assaults took place? Did anything surface about Jaejoong that I don't know about?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 12:34:35 AM PDT
Adnana says:
But didn't/don't you like Jaejoong?
With Yoochun's scandal there have now surfaced quite a few things about his JYJ bandmates as well, which doesn't exactly paint them in a... favorable light. Jaejoong, in particular, used to be acknowledged as Yoochun's "soulmate" because of how close/similar they were/are.

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 5:19:12 PM PDT
I think Joo Won's next drama, a remake of the movie My Sassy Girl, is going to be a sageuk. Not holding my breath on this one as his last movie to drama remake (7th Grade Civil Servant) ranks up there as one of the worst k-dramas ever. But all was not lost as we did at least get some great Dramabeans recaps from it.

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 3:38:07 PM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
Speaking of scandals, I'm just glad that I never liked PSH or Yoochun.

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 3:07:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2016 3:09:51 PM PDT
I agree that the TW-dramas seem to have gotten better (or maybe they are just not so focused on the crazy, manipulative OW trope that I hate), as I've been able to complete all of the TW-dramas that I've started this year. I also think that the Thai-drama have also gotten better and not as OTT crazy.

The July 21 air date for Just One Smile is Very Alluring is from MDL so I'm not horribly shocked if it's not correct. Remembering Li Chuan's Past sounds interesting. I'll give it a try.

I also hope the Ji Chang Wook's Chinese Rom/Com "Mr Right" airs sometime in 2016. Not too sure if his other Chinese drama, The Whirlwind Girl 2, will be a romance/action or just an action drama.

Unfortunately, too true about The Princess Man and Sungkyunkwan Scandal. Haven't re-watched a Park Shi Hoo drama since his scandal and now Yoochun is added to the forever avoid list.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2016 2:45:41 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 1, 2016 12:12:41 AM PDT
Adnana says:
Actually, the on-air date for "Just One Smile is Very Alluring" (drama version, with Yang Yang and Zheng Shuang) is August 22nd according to the latest info. Though of course, it'd be great if the July date held true.
On the other hand, the movie version, now titled Love O2O (with Jing Boran and Angelababy), will definitely arrive in theaters (in China) on August 12th.

Also, finally(!!) there's a firm on-air date for the (by me) long-awaited drama adaptation "Remembering Li Chuan": 7/31/2016.
And "When a Snail Falls in Love" (sister novel/drama to "When He Comes, Close Your Eyes" aka "Love Me If You Dare") will likely air this autumn.

I guess that's it for C-dramas in the immediate future.

As for K-dramas, I'm very much looking forward to "W - Two Worlds" (July 20th) and "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" (August 29th). The former because I have the feeling (hope?) the romance will be as epic and heart-tugging as in "Queen In-hyun's Man"; the latter because, if "Scholar Who Walks the Night" has taught me anything, it's that there can never be a surfeit of Lee Joon-ki in sageuk garb and black eyeliner *sizzle*. I honestly didn't know he could be so manly and hot, lol. My new motto: *gimme more*.
Oh, I'm also curious how "Moonlight Drawn by Clouds" (August 15th) turns out. I need new sageuk favorites now that some of my old ones have been tainted ("The Princess' Man", "Sungkyunkwan Scandal").

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 8:54:33 AM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
There was a merry-go-round kiss in "Marry Me or Not" as well, and for me it was more beautiful than the merry-go-round kiss in "Refresh Man", but it was most probably easier to film because it was filmed with both of them standing. On the TW-drama note, I am also going to check out "Swimming Battle" and "Prince of Wolf" (which should be "Prince of Wolves" for a better title), both seem like they're going to be super cute dramas for the Summer, and both start next week. TW-dramas seem to be getting better, and I feel the same way about J-dramas.

I'm also watching a J-drama called "Happy Marriage", and 2 episodes in and I'm in. I hope it stays good till the end, and doesn't start dragging because it has a fast beginning. Also if all the "squeeing" and "screaming" going on in the comments section are any indication, this should be a good addictive drama, since apparently the manga this is based on was very good.

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 7:33:17 AM PDT
Overall, I was very satisfied with the conclusion of Refresh Man. I did think that this was one drama that was much better in it's second half, especially after the H/h became a couple in episode 11. As expected the OW remained golden. She gets my vote as the best OW in a TW-drama. And despite some fake-outs by the writer, I also liked that the H/h remained a devoted couple until the end (I'm all for the lack of noble idiocy). For the most part I'm not a huge fan of a drama showing the same flashbacks repeatedly, but I do think that the flashbacks were effectively used in the final episode as we finally got to see them in consecutive order and were shown that some of the events were actually orchestrated by the H in order to get close to the h. And while it was always clear that the H was in love with the h (and had been since high school) I liked that once the H/h became a couple the flashbacks showed that the H's crush was never one-sided. My only criticism of the final episode is the H offering the Sales Team 1 traitor his job back. I can understand that for business reasons the H needs to have a good relationship with the OM but I can't see hiring back a person completely lacking in loyalty who caused financial harm to your business. Too much "happy note" for me.

All the kiss scenes from the drama - the merry-go-round kiss was probably the most creative (and probably one of the hardest of all kiss scenes to film)

Posted on Jun 28, 2016 3:48:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 28, 2016 3:49:38 PM PDT
Adnana says:
Apparently, amazon deleted my "She Was Pretty" review (see above). Here goes a second try:

I was casually watching "She Was Pretty" back when it was airing, but I put it on hold about midway through. I finally went back and finished it, and I'm glad I did. This drama might not have been earth-shatteringly great, but neither did it deserve a place in the ignored-or-forgotten bin. Not when there are so many actual bad dramas out there. (And I've been seeing too many of them.)

Anyway, "She Was Pretty" and I actually started off on the wrong foot, because the first part of the drama didn't really work for me. The H was very mean to the h, and I considered it a missed opportunity that the h never made him pay for it later on (what, turnabout's fair play!), or even made him grovel a bit for forgiveness. But then again, as hurtful as the H was towards the h in the beginning, she kinda bought it all--because she hid her true identity from him (as his childhood best friend), and was a complete and utter disaster at work (where the H was her boss): accident-prone, ditzy, and way (way!) too loud. She was so over-the-top in her gestures and reactions that she was almost cartoon-ish, and I never dig that in dramas.
But! The story moved forward, and it was catchy even with all its flaws, and the characters were intriguingly layered. Thankfully, the heroine calmed down her histrionics, and the H revealed his inner dork--which balanced the harsher side of his personality just right. I started liking the drama more and more.

The h's noble idiocy (rejecting the man she loved because her best friend stole her identity and fell for him too) would likely have been a deal-breaker for me--there's only so much stupidity I can tolerate, and hurting the love of your life as well as yourself for a friend who'd betrayed you is really a zenith in stupidity--but then the H swooped in and saved the day with HIS reaction. He refused to buy the h's excuses for wanting to break up; he was calm, and rational, and utterly relentless until he got the h to be honest with him. Then he patiently waited until she was ready to be by his side. It was perfect.

Because of the h's noble idiocy, the H & h only became a proper couple at the end of episode 12, which was later than I usually prefer in a romantic comedy. But! Afterward, they were so, so cute together, and they were given so many awesome couple scenes, without any other OTT conflict to overshadow all the romantic sugary sweetness, that I was on cloud nine. We even got some after-the-wedding, day-to-day life glimpses! All of which made me a very happy camper (what, there's people who'd consider an entire episode worth of happy epilogue useless filler? Not me! Who needs conflict, heck who needs story development, when you can see a H & h that you root for kissing instead? Lol)

So, despite several near-misses and only 4 episodes of fulfilled romance, that romance was so cute in its best moments that it earned "She Was Pretty" a thumbs-up from me.

Posted on Jun 28, 2016 8:51:26 AM PDT
Impatiently waiting for subs for the final episode of Another Miss Oh/Oh Hae Young Again (but I did follow the live recaps at Soompi as the final episode was airing about an hour ago to be sure that the drama ended the way I expected). So far, probably the best drama I've watched in 2016 (but hopefully W and Just One Smile is Very Alluring will also be good). I continue to also really like Lucky Romance primarily for it's great H.

Am also watching Song Jae Rim's web drama Thumping Spike (20 episodes at 15 minutes each). So far, a cute, light sports romance. The h, a volleyball superstar, is forced to temporarily coach the H's HS volleyball team. Drama doesn't seemed to be playing this up as a noona romance but the h is 24, while the H is 20 (he dropped out of school for a year so is older than a normal high schooler).

Posted on Jun 27, 2016 8:21:48 PM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
Reader123 I agree with you about "Last Cinderella" in that the heroine would've been better off with the other guy, rather than Muira Haruma's character. But I like MH, and because this is a drama I will believe in their happy ending, even though in real life it probably wouldn't last. So "Last Cinderella" remains one of the J-dramas I like. I want to give some details about "It's not that I can't marry" but I will wait until I've watched the drama to the end, and then give a review. On another note, I was surprised to learn that "Mars" is originally a J-manga that the TW-drama is based on. Despite being old, the TW-drama remains one of the better dramas around.

Posted on Jun 27, 2016 6:58:49 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2016 7:55:38 AM PDT
I watched the first 3 episodes of the Japanese remake of MARS. While it's not bad, I don't think it's as good of the TW-version.

I've also been very loosely following the TW-drama Refresh Man (waiting for subs for the final episode). ETA: I ended up liking this drama. While the romance wasn't addictive the H/h had good chemistry and for the most part the drama was fairly angst free. Also unlike most TW-drama, this show does have a nice second female lead. After confessing to the H, she graciously accepted the fact that the H didn't love her and then went on to coach him on how to get together with the h. The OW is currently working with the OM/villain but I will be shocked if it doesn't turn out to just be a scheme that she and the H cooked up. Like I said, she's very unusual for a TW-drama.

ETA: D.M. - W does not have the same director as Queen In-Hyun's Man. But W's director (Jung Dae Yoon) also directed King 2 Hearts, Arang and the Magistrate, Cunning Single Lady, Queen of Reversals and She Was Pretty. All shows that I liked.

Also, I wasn't a fan of Last Cinderella. I didn't buy the HEA between the H/h. I gave them a couple of years at best. She would have been better off with the OM as they had much more in common.

Finally, MDL indicates that the drama based on Gu Man's latest novel "Just One Smile is Very Alluring" may commence airing July 21. Other titles for this drama are "A Smile is Beautiful" and "Weiwei's Beautiful Smile." I enjoyed the other drama's based on Gu Man's novels - My Sunshine and Boss and Me so am looking forward to this drama.

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Posted on Jun 25, 2016 7:54:49 PM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
Also I am watching a J-drama called "It's not that I Can't Marry, But I Don't Want to", this drama is reminding me a bit of "Last Cinderella". I am enjoying this drama so far, however it is unpredictable when it comes to who the heroine will end up with (and I usually prefer a clear OTP I can root for) - I watched the first 6 eps and I still don't know. I usually wait for J-dramas to finish, before checking them out, since sometimes it might take long for the subbed episodes to be posted. But I started this drama anyways, and now I just hope I don't have to wait too long for the new eps.

Jennifer I watched the teaser for "W", and it reminded me of the teaser for "Queen Inhyun's Man", with the H and h standing on either side of an invisible/mirror-like barrier that stands between their two worlds. I guess it shows that this show is from the same writer. Now I wonder if it is from the same director as well? Anyways I am looking forward to this show, and I hope that it will be good. I agree that k-dramas have been really flat this year, so far. I watched the first two episodes of "A Beautiful Mind", and it has potential, so far it is looking like a romance/medical/suspense/crime drama, but I wish it didn't have closeups of surgeries (I'm squeamish), still I realize it is the genre.

Posted on Jun 25, 2016 7:47:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2016 7:48:31 PM PDT
Lovely D.M. says:
Okay so I just finished watching "Back to 1989", and I feel that even if there is one more episode, I can safely write a review for this drama. First off, this will contain spoilers, so don't say I didn't warn you! I hope that the last episode (22) will show the H/h's happy ending in detail, and also answer some questions about the heroine's disappearance and re-appearance.

Anyways, while this drama has a unique premise and some weird moments, the story was handled with a lot of sensitivity and heart. The story was overall interesting, unpredictable, and unexpectedly cohesive. While the drama had a languid pace, it didn't feel slow, it always kept me interested and fully engaged/intrigued.

If I were to use one word to describe the relationship between Chen Che and his mother, it would be "sacrifice". Traveling back in time allowed CC to see what his mother went through. One of the most moving scenes happened in episode 16 or 17 (I think), when he took his mother to the hospital to get an abortion, and they had a conversation in the waiting room. She of course had no idea that she was talking to her future son, and it was so moving I was teary. Chen Che was not successful in changing his mother's life story in any major way. However the little changes he was able to do for his mother, helped in the resulting of a better future for his mother.

The other relationship, and I think the most important in Chen Che's life, was his relationship with Zhen Zhen. If I were to use one word to describe this relationship it would be "devotion". They had cute, sweet, cheesy, loving, moving and sorrowful scenes. Despite being sweet, simple minded and clumsy, Zhen Zhen showed a lot of strength after finding out the truth - even though it broke her heart. She wanted to travel back to 2016 with CC, but that was not possible. He promised her that he would find her in 2016, and she promised that she would wait for him. However Chen Che, smart as he is, didn't notice an important detail, why was Zhen Zhen never present in his childhood memories since she is his mother's best friend? Why was the first time he met her, when he time- traveled back to 1989?...I also like how small details tie in with answering questions later on in the story. The H/h have great chemistry.

Then there was the friendship among his mother's circle of friends - his mother, Zhen Zhen, his mother's first love, the friend who had a one sided crush on Zhen Zhen, and the friend who had a one sided crush on H's mother. Their friendships got harshly tested, and some of the friendships broke, while others lost touch as the years passed... his mother's relationship with her first love was also a big part of the story, and if I were to describe their relationship with one phrase it would be bitter/sweet.

The drawbacks of this drama: The inevitable weirdness that comes with such a premise, the directing was weak at some parts (but I overlook that), and the acting was sometimes awkward (but since the story was good and moving I overlook that too). In short this drama exceeded my expectations despite the flaws.

Posted on Jun 25, 2016 6:54:43 AM PDT
I've also started watching the currently airing Thai drama U Prince Series: The Handsome Cowboy with Push and Esther. A fun, light, fluffy rom/com whose style and tone is somewhat similar to The Ugly Duckling Series: Perfect Match. I do like that the h just rolls her eyes at the H's pick-up lines. The drama is being subbed by it's broadcaster G-MM.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2016 11:45:08 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 21, 2016 12:50:13 PM PDT
Adnana says:
"kdramas have been really flat of late"

I was surprised (but not really, considering the glowing reviews) at how much I love "Oh Hae Young Again". I don't usually go for realistic romance in K-dramas (I prefer larger-than-life), but this drama is really something else; (if you ignore the supernatural aspect and the overwhelming number of coincidences/chance meetings; honestly, Seoul is not a small village that people should keep stumbling across each other every day!) the romance feels mundane and real-to-life (the attraction, the conversations, the desire for intimacy) yet at the same time fairytale-like because it really makes you believe that these 2 people are each other's half in a true-soulmates kind of way.
The h is all-across-the-board awesome, the H is flawed and such a... a man (closed-off, evasive, uncommunicative) and he drove me bonkers more than a few times, but I still love him (because in spite of everything, in spite of himself, he really does love the h like crazy) and I'm rooting desperately for his HEA.
Please, drama gods, let there be a happy ending!

ETA after watching the last episode: it's a HEA

Posted on Jun 24, 2016 11:21:00 AM PDT
Taz - I have been so excited about the Thai Princess Hours, the news about Viki is super upsetting.

I just watched the trailer for W and it looks amazing. Can't wait to watch it and that is really saying something, kdramas have been really flat of late.

Posted on Jun 24, 2016 5:03:09 AM PDT
I guess the clamp down on Thai dramas at VIKI continues, as VIKI at the providers request has now removed both Kiss Me and Full House Thai. Based upon this news, I wouldn't be surprised if VIKI refuses to sub any future dramas from this provider, like Princess Hours Thai or season 2 of Kiss Me (if it pans out). But on a somewhat positive note, some of the VIKI subbers are now working on completing subs on some of older Thai dramas.
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