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Posted on Feb 26, 2010 6:16:47 AM PST
OMG, I had a wonderful dinner with Pamela Clare last night. What a lovely person! I am about to leave for the airport, but wanted to let all of you who asked that Connor's story is in the works. She has it all mapped out in her head (I didn't get any spoilers, sorry), and she hopes to start writing it right after she finishes her next I-Team book - Natalie's story. And yes, both Joseph and Wentworth will get a story too if her publisher agrees. (And it sounds quite likely!) And she gave me a copy of Naked Edge, which I have already started!! I am only on page 50 but hope to devour it on my plane ride home. (Really, really good so far...)

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 6:40:46 AM PST
DoraLady says:

I am glad your dinner with Pamela Clare went so well. Have a safe flight home. I can't wait for the rest of the books.

Happy reading.

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 6:42:58 AM PST
DoraLady says:
Good Morning Everyone,

I have not read much at all. I have not been able to get into anything.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 7:08:32 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 26, 2010 7:09:48 AM PST
KatHart says:
KarLynP - Ooooooooh........I am so jealous, but very happy for you at the same time. Not only did you have a wonderful dinner with Pamela Clare and were in the beautiful city of Denver, but she gave you the "Naked Edge" in advance. I am so looking forward to Kat's story and I have it on pre order for my kindle. I am so glad that you had a wonderful time and enquiring minds would love to know more. Have a safe flight home.

Did she happen to mention how she was going to redeem Wentworth? He is in need of a good redemption.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 7:22:53 AM PST
MelissaB says:

Wow, sounds like you had a great evening, it was so nice of Pamela to meet you! I am glad she plans on writing Conor's story next! Enjoy Naked Edge, my copy is preordered and should arrive next week.

Thanks for sharing!

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 7:29:02 AM PST
Agent Scully says:
Ahhhh KarLyn you lucky girl!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:11:12 AM PST
Bill Bee says:

Have a seen a thread on Georgette Heyer? No, not recently.

GH is one of my favorite authors. I am slowly plowing through her Regency Romances. With a few exceptions, her books are very funny with characters who make me laugh, sometimes out loud.


In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:15:50 AM PST
Bill Bee says:

No snow in the Willamette Valley in Oregon. In fact while the rest of the country has been having terrible killer weather, we have had a very mild spring. Every thing is blossoming out already. Bill

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 10:20:38 AM PST
N. Kelly says:
Ok, I have Pamela Clare's first I-team book, but haven't started it and haven't read anything else by her. I'm excited to read the one I have tho. But I think you all are talking about a different series. What other books by her should I get?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:39:23 AM PST
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Bill Bee says:
Scully, Anna and Pam,

The six stages in 90 to 95% of films and many novels are:

Stage 1. Setup which leads to the 1st turning point at 10% into the movie where the heroine has an opportunity for something new. The heroine has her mask fully in place. Think the dance at Meryeton when Lizzy meets Darcy.
Stage 2. New Situation as the heroine learns the new rules of her situation. The heroine glimpses her real self. This stage leads to the 2nd turning point at 25% in where the heroine has a change of plans. In P & P this was probably at the Netherfield ball where Darcy made his first positive move toward Lizzy and she really felt her mixed feelings for him.
Stage 3. He heroine makes progress on her new plan. She vacilates between her mask and her real self. This stage leads to the third turning point, the point of no return at 50% in. Now everything has changed and the heroine can't return to the situation she was in at the beginning of the movie. In P & P this was Darcy's first proposal and Lizzy's reaction to the letter he gives her the next day.
Stage 4. Complications set in and the stakes get higher. The heroine is fullly in her real self, but she reverts to her mask one more time. This stage leads to the 4th turning point, a major setback at the 75% mark. This is when Lizzy learns that Lydia has run away with Wickham.
Stage 5. The Final Push. This is when the situation is hopeless and the heroine has nothing left to do but push on. The heroine is fully in her real self (essence). This leads to the climax at 90 to 99% in when everything comes out right. Darcy proposes a second time to Lizzy.
Stage 6. The aftermath, which shows the heroine in her transformed existence.

In the traditional three act form, Stages 1 and 2 are the first act, Stages 2 and 3 are the second act, and stages 3 and 4 are the third.


In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:50:21 AM PST
MelissaB says:
N. Kelly,

My favorite Pamela Clare book is Surrender, which is a historical set in the New York colonies during the French and Indian War. The setting reminds you of Last of the Mohicans. I love the story and think it's very romantic and full of action.

The sequel to Surrender is Untamed, another good romance.

Another good book is Ride the Fire, which is technically third in a series but can easily be read as a stand alone. Ride the Fire takes place around 1758 on the Ohio/Pennsylvania frontier. This is a really good book. The other two books in this series are Sweet Release and Carnal Gift.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:54:23 AM PST
Agent Scully says:
Very interesting Bill. I'm going to give this some thought. Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 11:02:19 AM PST
Bill Bee says:
Scully, If you want to explore it more, there are plenty of books out that explore script and novel writing. Our instructors name was Michael Hauge and his web site is www. You might find more information there.

By the way, the movies Hauge used most often in his examples were L.A. Confidential, Shrek and Hitch.


Posted on Feb 26, 2010 11:10:19 AM PST
Books & More says:
Thank you Bill for giving us the six stages and web address. I have copied it.
So are you going to use it in your new novel?


Posted on Feb 26, 2010 5:34:12 PM PST
Bill, Very, very interesting. Comparison? E.A.Poe's examination of the short story. Will apply the stages to my next novel (TBA after a trip to the library's annual sale tomorrow); would be worth writing the stages in ouline form. Rather than writing a synopsis, this outline might be more useful in remembering plots. Wish I had had that devise in college. Thank you for sharing! Catheryne

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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 6:36:50 PM PST
DoraLady says:

Thanks for posting the 6 stages.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 6:41:50 PM PST
DoraLady says:
Blakewell/Kenleigh Family Trilogy
1. Sweet Release (2003)
2. Carnal Gift (2004)
3. Ride the Fire (2005) - 1750s (North-MidWest)

I Team - Contemporary - Romantic Suspense with HEA
1. Extreme Exposure (2005)
2. Hard Evidence (2006)
3. Unlawful Contact (2008)
4. Naked Edge (2010) -March 2 release date at amazon

MacKinnon's Rangers - Takes place late 1750's near lake champlain/Lake George area (present day Upper New York State)
1. Surrender (2006)
2. Untamed (2008)


I agree with MelissaB. Untamed is a very close 2nd.

I have read Ride the Fire. It is also very good. I have not read the first two in the series.

I love Surrender.

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 6:44:45 PM PST
DoraLady says:
I decided to read IF LIFE IS A BOWL OF CHERRIES-WHAT AM I DOING IN THE PITS? (1970) by Erma Bombeck. It fits both Lifetime Challenge and A-Z challenge.

It is a humor book, but somehow it could be thought as a bit depressing for the negative thinking,

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 9:36:14 PM PST
Bill Bee says:
Anna, You bet. And it helped to seperate out the plot development from the character development. I had all of that mushed together in my head. Bill

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 9:42:13 PM PST
Bill Bee says:
At the risk of being buried under a pile of cow pies by the fans of Lisa Kleypas, I have to give her Again the Magic a so-so review at best.

I read this book because it a favorite of many readers. Regretfully I can't share that opinion. It already had two strikes against it because it starts out with 50 pages of unrequited teenage lust, which didn't do anything for me. On top of that, it is a revenge story, which made me dislike the McKenna, the hero. But the worst sin in this novel is the TSTL Aline who almost ruins her and his chance for happiness out of her fear and pride, her failure to trust the strength of McKenna's lover for her and her own inability to tell the truth. He had a right to be enraged with her near disastrous rejection of him all because she didn't have the courage to believe in him or her own self worth independent of her beauty. Rarely have I wanted to slap a heroine more and violence against women is simply not in my make-up.

Another problem I have with this book is that it is saturated with sex and descriptions of the effect on the bodies of the four main characters due to their near constant state of arousal. Dogs in heat couldn't be more excited and agitated. Everyone was constantly breaking out into a sweat, trembling, going weak in the knees or exhibiting some other evidence of their arousal when they weren't actually rutting away in long pages of descriptive florid prose. I got tired of it after awhile. Several times I almost threw the book across the room as I read about another "wet hard lunge" or the like. I can enjoy pornography but I read it for a different purpose and with a different mind set than a novel.

I did find the end scenes between Aline and McKenna effective and emotional.

SPOILER: I liked Livia and Shaw, the other pair of lovers, much much better. She had sense and courage. She took what she needed from him but was fearlessly honest when she said she refused his offer of marriage because she would not watch him destroy himself with drink.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:13:36 PM PST

My hubby bought me that book one Christmas way back in the 80's. She did negative humor alot! I loved Erma back then though. She made me laugh so hard...I was home with AlOT of kids back then. I'll never forget where she says if you can't find room to store your maternity clothes in the house then dig a hole under the house and store them there. Because....if you get rid of them YOU WILL GET PREGNANT AGAIN!!! At that time in my life I could identify with that!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2010 10:19:09 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 26, 2010 10:21:21 PM PST

Thanks for the info on the 6 stages....I love that you used one of my favorites PP.

I can't believe your part of the country hasn't had much of a winter when....Dallas has had one he** of a winter!!! It has been cold and gray alot this winter...I will jump for joy when sunshine and warmth comes back again!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2010 4:53:00 AM PST
DoraLady says:

Your spoiler was one of the good things I liked about the book as well. I wonder if they get a HEA in one of the books, and do I want to read it.

LOL at the dogs in heat, many books are like that. I have mentioned before that is what drags a book down for me. The constant reminder of how much the hero wants the heroine etc. To much thought process. Not that I want all the sexual conduct written each time.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2010 4:55:11 AM PST
DoraLady says:

I never heard of the expression "negative humour" before. I thought it was just me in an odd mood. I guess being in the situation and reading about it makes it more humours.

I remember a few years ago reading about motherhood and laughing at it.
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