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Initial post: Sep 4, 2010 10:19:35 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 30, 2011 4:18:58 PM PDT
Purse Monkey says:
I'm looking for books that the hero grovels correctly. To date, I've only read two books where the hero grovels to the point where I wanted the heroine to forgive him regardless of what he did.

Lady Gallant by Suzanne Robinson. Oh, what can I say about Kit's grovel except that he deserved to suffer and indeed, he did suffer for quite a while. In this book, the hero, Kit, thought that the heroine, Nora, betrayed him so he proceeded to make her suffer. He verbally taunted her right after their wedding night and many times after. He arranged his mistress to live with them and make it where the heroine would catch them in bed together. The heroine grew from a mousy slip of a girl to one that made him beg on his knees (literally). Even after he found out his mistakes and begged the heroine to forgive him, she shunned him. She refused to talk to him and was indifferent to him. She made him work for his redemption for months before finally, after witnesses something very sweet that the hero did, forgave him. But you can tell that the hero suffered, physically and mentally. The groveling really saved his book.

Simply Love by Catherine Anderson. The hero wanted the heroine for a mistress so he arranged for her father and brother to be arrested so that she had no one to turn to except him. She's really naive and innocent and didn't realize what it would mean for her to move in with him. He tried to seduce her but because of her innocence, was rebuffed everytime. He grew to love her and actually married her but then she found out about his treachery. He groveled so much. He even worked in the mine with her father and brother to gain her love again. It took many weeks, even months, for her to soften up to him. Finally at the end he was so desperate and thought that she was leaving him that he confessed his love for her. It was really touching.

These are the two books where hero did something so unforgivable but because of his groveling, redeemed himself. My pet peeve is when the heroine forgives way too easily.

ETA: I'm going to add Temptations by Charlotte Lamb as the third grovel book that I felt the H groveled correctly. The H met the h when she was 17/18 and seduced her. He left the next day. As it turned out, he was married already. Heroine got so depressed that she tried to kill herself. She was unsuccessful. Two years later h met H's son (who was her age) while in college. She didn't know it was H's son so she went with him to meet his family. She met H and boy did she make him suffer. Trust me when I say that I was reluctant to read this book for a long time because of all the ick factor and I thought there was no way the H could redeem himself. Well, by the time I was done, I wanted to forgive the H for all his transgressions. He groveled without pride. He put his feelings, his pride, his manhood out there for the h to stomp on because he loves her so much. He literally put his whole happiness in h's hands and gosh, she's my kind of girl. Vindictive and not very forgiving, at least towards the H and lets face it. He deserves it. So yeah, this book definitely makes my very short list of best grovel books.

Posted on Sep 6, 2010 7:22:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 6, 2010 7:52:10 PM PDT
Reader says:
I too would love to some recommendations with groveling! It does seem like h forgive way too easily in most books. I am ordering your books tonight! :-)

Actually, I read Lost in Love by Michelle Reid this summer after reading some blogs on Amazon. I think it was the only time that I have read a book where the H cheated and I felt ok with the h forgiving him. It was interesting how the story is told as a flash back. I think that it makes the reader a little more understanding to the characters. I'm not saying that I think that the book had the best H ever but at least I felt that he realized that he made a huge mistake and was sorry, not just sorry for being caught.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 6, 2010 8:00:09 PM PDT
Love the groveling topic! Because of the last discussion, I read Lady Gallant. Really enjoyed the book, but just didn't think Kit should have been forgiven. I agree with you wholeheartedly that he did some great groveling and I loved reading about it, but he was so cruel that I still didn't want him to be with/didn't think he deserved sweet Nora. Guess I'll need to read Simply love if the groveling is that good. I rarely think the heroes who are major butts do enough to deserve forgiveness. I love those rare authors who can make me cheer for H when he's been an a** to the h. Anyway...Moving on to your request: The only book I can think of offhand where the groveling is greater than the sin(s) is SEP's Kiss an Angel. The h literally brought the poor (proud) H to his knees. Loved it.

Posted on Sep 6, 2010 8:30:16 PM PDT
boogenhagen says:
Re Lost in Love the H never really cheated, he was set up but no sex with another woman occurred. I don't like calling it groveling, that makes the H sound pathetic. I just want a sincere, heartfelt I screwed up, I am sorry and this is what I am willing to do to make our relationship right. The Ultimate Betrayal by Michelle Reid, Reason to Believe by Kathleen Eagle, A Perfect Marriage by Laurie Bright, and Some Enchanted Season by Marilyn Pappano all have really good scenes where the couple really recommits to each other.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 9:19:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 7, 2010 9:20:17 AM PDT
Reader says:
The H most definately did cheat in Lost in Love. I just finished reading it a couple of weeks ago and there is no question. It should not matter that his friend facilitated it for him. He should not have been at that party in the first place. I agree with the H:

"Is it OK to find me in bed with another woman so long as you can blame it on the evil drink?....Then I am guilty as charged."

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 10:13:32 AM PDT
boogenhagen says:
He did not have sex with the woman, he was passed out in bed and she got in bed with him when the h walks in. That is not cheating. Bad judgement but not adultery.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 10:27:24 AM PDT
bookgrrl1976 says:
His "friend" sent him to bed to sleep off a solid drunk. His ex-girlfriend and "friend" conspired to have the wife see the ex-girlfriend in bed with the H. He never had sex with her. Yes, she was in the bed with him, but they didn't 'do the deed.'

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 12:11:06 PM PDT
Michigangirl says:
I agree that it wasn't cheating. He didn't know the OW was there, nothing happened, and if he had woken up without the heroine there, nothing would have happened..except him kicking her out of the bed.

If that's cheating then any attempted rape scenes where the heroine is sleeping at a friend's house or even in her own house and is accosted by a man determined to have sex with her, would also be cheating on the Heroes.

Now if you told me the hero in A Question of Pride by MR cheated..I'd definitely agree with you there, even though he probably didn't sleep with the OW.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any books with really good grovel scenes...except some that have already been mentioned. But I'll think about it and post back.

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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 12:42:09 PM PDT
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Reader says:
I CANNOT even begin to compare "attempted rape" to cheating, the comparison is ludicrous.
Boo:
I guess I would agree with you if his behavior at those parties before had not been questionable in the past. Maybe he did not set out to cheat; maybe he did just have really bad judgment that day. But the fact is that he knew what went on in those parties, why would he go without his wife? Why open himself up to his ex who always pawed him at these parties? Whether or not they had sex or is arguable, so is whether or not he would have stopped his ex from continuing. So label it what you want but I still feel he betrayed his wife and she was completely in the right reacting as she did. Still a good story...

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 12:52:35 PM PDT
RomReader says:
An HP groveling rec: Baby of Shame by Julia James.

h fell in an instant brain-numbing lust/love for H & had sex with him before she could talk to him about her dad's failing business. When he accidentally found out she was representing her dad's company, H quickly ASSumed the worst, wouldn't give her the time of day to explain herself, & wanted nothing to do with her. As a result, her father's business closed down & she had to support him b/c he had a heart attack(?) soon after. In the next 5 yrs, h had the burden of supporting her ailing & emotionally unavailable father & a baby. h became burned out & malnourished. Right before H sees her again, her dad just died, social services threated to take her son away from her, & she got hit by a car. (feeling sorry for her yet?)

Enter H...who thought h used sex during their 1-night stand to drum up business for her dad & had been angry & bitter with her & all womankind for 5 years. He also readily believed the social worker, who informed him about his son's existence, that h has been neglecting their son b/c of her drug use & selfishness. When H realized how wrong he was...major groveling! It was good too.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 2:03:36 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 7, 2010 2:08:54 PM PDT
Crawling into bed with someone without their consent or without them having the ability to consent and initiating sexual contact is molestation, attempted rape or rape (depending on how far it goes). It happens all the time in frat and sorority houses around the country. There's bad judgment for getting drunk in certain places but it is not tantamount to granting sexual access to anyone while you're passed out, whether you're woman or man. Anyway no sex happened in the book so there wasn't rape or cheating, just bad judgment on hero's part and jumping to conclusions on heroine's. Cue drama.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 2:42:38 PM PDT
Reader in NJ says:
Reader, The H in "Lost in Love" didn't cheat as Boogenhagen stated. In fact, according to MR he didn't sleep with anyone else even after the divorce. He loved his wife and wanted her back. The divorce in his mind was his punishment for getting himself into that situation which later resulted in a miscarriage. He went to the party after an argument with his wife -- not because he wanted to cheat.

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 4:34:32 PM PDT
Reader says:
NJ: Sorry, what's MR?

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 4:53:02 PM PDT
Reader, Im not NJ but MR is the author Michelle Reid

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 5:13:52 PM PDT
Double D says:
RomReader, Love the "ASSumed" spelling!!! Did he have relationships with other women during the 5 years. I bet he did, 5 years and only a one night stand, but I have to know. It sounds so interesting and I want to read it but I have to be fully informed and battle ready before I can read it.

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 6:23:17 PM PDT
Purse Monkey says:
Hm...makes me want to read Lost in Love now.

Love Pound Puppies: I agree that Kit was cruel and horrid to Nora and that he doesn't deserve her, however, I feel he did love her and was humbled by that love at the end. I love reading the redemption that he went through to earn back her love. I also love that Nora was very strong and actually stopped loving Kit after his cruelty. In Kiss An Angel, I think it's just me, but I didn't like the H. He was an a** and I feel the h should not be forgiven him. I'm not just talking about the part where he wanted her to have an abortion but throughout the whole book. He was emotionally abusive and distrusting. And only when he accidentally whipped her was when he was remotely kind. Though he did grovel for a bit, I never felt he groveled enough. Even on his knees. Heroine was too emotionally weak. I would've loved it if she did leave him for a period of time. But that's just me. I'm vindictive like that.

I just remember another good groveling book. Dark Wager by Mary Spencer. Though groveling is not as emotionally charged as Simply Love or Lady Gallant, it was pretty good. H made a bet with his friends (and therefore the ton) that he would get his "peahen" wife pregnate and leave her there on his estate. Thing is, he's loved heroine since he was young but because of his distrusting and jealous nature, he thought that she was unfaithful to him. Heroine is not classically beautiful but many men likes her and flocks aorund her, causing hero to mistrust her more so. His ex-mistress outed the bet in the newspaper by drawing malicious caricatures of heroine. Heroine found out about the bet and the fact that h called her "peahen" to his friends. She was extremely hurt and heartbroken. He groveled for many days and it took several weeks for her to forgive him.

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 7:37:42 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 7, 2010 7:38:40 PM PDT
Reader says:
The author! That makes sense!!! :-) Thanks, Nicky.

Obviously, I share the vindictive streak that "Purse Monkey" has because I too feel that h sometimes need to leave the H and grovel if they have been a big enough jerk. I think that was why I liked Lost in Love. Even though the severity of guilt the H had was debatable, he took full responsibility for his actions and he was constatly trying to prove his love to the h for years. I would have really hated the story had it been him just saying, "sorry." Even though his choice of language was not very endearing in the first few chapters, I kinda started to like the guy in the end.

Still considerate a betrayal!!! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 7:43:51 PM PDT
Reader in NJ says:
Reader, I see that Nicky answered your question. The H in "Lost in Love" was flawed. But that makes the book more interesting. I enjoyed reading about how he changed and matured.

On one of the threads I posted MR's "article" that she wrote for eHarlequin about the "Black Moment" in a book. If you haven't read it, search for it and read it. I liked how she explained that.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2010 8:07:40 PM PDT
RomReader says:
Double D-- re: Baby of Shame by Julia James

You bet he had sexual r/s with other women. It's very unusual for an HP hero who is bitter towards women AND won't have sex with them.

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 9:19:34 PM PDT
boogenhagen says:
To be fair, I have to say at times the newer HP line's refusal to allow the h any other relationships after the H gets to me. I would certainly be consoling myself with either a Hugh Jackman or Vin Diesel look alike boy toy if I had gotten dumped by some of the HP hero's out there.

I did just finish a Violet Winspear, the Child of Judas, in which the h, having had a miscarriage and been abandoned by the H, takes off with his very attractive younger brother who is mad keen to have an affair with her, and you get the feeling that she would have taken him up on it in time had the H not returned to sweep her off her feet. This was a refreshing change, because while the broody ill tempered H is sailing alone on his boat, the h is partying in Athens and having a fabulous time.

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 10:46:21 PM PDT
Taylijane says:
Michelle Reid's Eye of Heaven and Mistress Bride have pretty good "grovels" by the H.

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 11:01:01 PM PDT
ambrosia says:
The Lover by Nicole Jordan has a great grovel by the H after the h leaves him for his activity with his former mistress and lack of trust. If you're adamantly opposed to total adultery, however, as opposed to a huge betrayal of trust and "near" adultery, make sure you read the revised version where she's rewritten a crucial scene!!!! (Though as I wrote in another review, the rewritten version is just not as believable as the original. But I would not be able to forgive the hero in the original. Just never happy, that's me!!!)

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 8, 2010 1:28:10 AM PDT
Lillian Rose says:
boogenhagen, I've found "Child of Judas" I'm going to get it now because it isn't often a h remotely looks at another male after the H/during seperation.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 8, 2010 1:38:50 AM PDT
Taylijane says:
Lillian Rose and boogenhagen, I would have liked a little more "grovelling' by the H in "Child of Judas" - the said some nasty things to the h and she forgave him far to easily. Otherwise a great read.
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