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Posted on Nov 17, 2009 8:45:41 AM PST
To Marilyn Martin:
Re: "Sorry I can't post the URL..."
Here's the URL for the DIA article on low energy nuclear reactions:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2009/2009DIA-08-0911-003.pdf

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2009 9:47:05 AM PST
Thanks, Walter!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2009 12:26:50 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 18, 2009 12:33:06 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
So what you do in that case is try copy-pasting the title into a Google search window. And lo and behold, a URL turns up:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/11/defense-intelligence-agency-has.html

Honestly, can you type and chew gum at the same time?

I downloaded the PDF and had a quick look through, but I see nothing at all relevant to the topic of this thread, space wars. Other than that the document was from the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Another no-hit miss, Marilyn.

Posted on Nov 18, 2009 8:33:17 AM PST
Esgaldil says:
The document does speculate on potential uses by the U.S. military and others for low energy nuclear reactions, the most promising of which appears to be as a battery capable of replacing internal combustion engines. The research is clearly just beginning, but sometimes engineering breakthoughs happen even before the underlying causal mechanisms are fully described. Not "space" wars, but certainly within the topic of the last four pages of "all past, present, and future research funded by or potentially appropriated by military organizations will be linked to here".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2009 9:52:54 AM PST
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Posted on Nov 18, 2009 10:14:28 AM PST
Esgaldil says:
Martin - Perhaps, rather than looking for links, you could add your own content to this discussion. Even your own critical reaction to some of the many links already posted would be more interesting than yet more of the news articles that all of us here are easily able to find. We are all on the same internet - the only things that you have access to that I do not are the thoughts of Marilyn Martin.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2009 11:01:39 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2009 12:04:17 PM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"kinetic-energy (laser) systems designed to attack satellites"

Laser and kinetic kill weapons are two entirely different things.

A kinetic-energy weapon uses a projectile to hit the target, with the impact destroying the target by the released kinetic energy . A laser is one variety of directed-energy weapon, destroying the target by transferring energy as electromagnetic radiation.

Posted on Nov 18, 2009 4:01:23 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"...the thoughts of Marilyn Martin."

That should be a hoot. :)

I like in the other thread where she mocks the comet wingnuts, given some of the stuff she herself has posted in the Aliens community!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2009 6:14:16 PM PST
Did you read all of Ian Douglas' trilogies? I was dissappointed with "Semper Human", but overall I thought his military sci-fi was enjoyable. "Star Marines" is probabaly my favorite.

Posted on Nov 20, 2009 9:54:52 AM PST
Below is a link to an article in today's (11/20/09) New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/us/20terror.html?th&emc=th

AIR DEFENSE PUSH INSPIRED BY 9/11 GET A SECOND LOOk. This article discusses how NORAD is going to examine and downgrade/streamline our post-9/11 U.S. defenses. Hemmed by the expense of running two foreign wars, the Colorado Command is looking to rely less on keeping expensive combat squadrons ever-ready.

Again, if you extrapolate this to the near-future of defending the U.S. from terrorists, you will probably see a shift toward more electronic surveillance, like satellites. And possibly space-platform lasers. This would go hand in hand with the Militarization of Space, which has already started.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 2:32:49 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
It's hard to say what a destructive weapon is . . . if you can find a powerful magnet . . such as an LHC (collider), then you can do what? It used to be about fission, but fusion or imploded particles will reap way more energy than nuclear fission. If everyone knows about an LHC in Geneva or where ever, then who has the biggest weapon? Are we all just a bunch of "buggy riding" village people wondering where that "kite" came from? {kite = possible UFO, I guess . . .} It's hard to say. Is anyone really fighting across the way? Who cares . . .obviously someone is dealing with issues way more complicated than ours. After learning about the LHC, liquid nitrogen cooled giant magnets, implosion, and mini-black holes, reverse-technology might be dealing with laws the average attorney wont solve .. . and I wouldn't blame them. Still, why would Captain Curt need an attorney on planet zippo?
Anyway, back to reality . . . I understand what you're saying, so keep studying calculus and join the Navy . . they'll fill you in on some of it . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 2:47:41 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
~ when I say kite I mean across the moon type of thing . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 3:17:01 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
By "Curt" did you mean the Kirk, younger Denny Crane type of thing? ;)

Posted on Nov 21, 2009 4:08:35 PM PST
Below are links to some of the latest scientific advancements, which could conceivably be used in space warfare someday:

http://www.physorg.com/news177582639.html
"Building a More Versatile Laser". Success with the development of a multi-beam laser.

http://www.physorg.com/news177689867.html
Forget buckyballs and nanotubes! "New Study Confirms Exotic Electrical Properties of Graphene". This two-dimensional fabric is the thinnest material possible, but ten times stronger than steel. And it conducts electricity better than any other material at room temperature.

And, if you are interested (I wasn't) there's an article on DARPA's latest: Cyborg beetles.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 5:05:03 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
Yeah, I'm a bad speller, but Kirk was the word I meant to use. . the Star Trek idea was just an anology. Dealing with lawyers and businessmen in the future is a greater concern of mine than finding the ultimate weapon. Technology will be on levels that might kill the competition . . meaning me and my products . . . so, who will represent the little guy?
Anyway, I was talking about UFO's but my "code" word for them was
"kite(s)". If people are really flying kites, these days, they do it when no one cares. Air space can be a tricky thing, I guess.

So, it was Kirk, not Curt. Thanks for getting back to me . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 5:12:33 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
Do you have any links about nanotronics or nanotronic devices? Let me know . . .

Posted on Dec 1, 2009 3:43:29 PM PST
Here are some more You Tube clips about futuristic (or already in use, cutting-edge) weaponry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIFRzAua3m0&feature=related (TESLA WEAPONS)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLKk1bTL6fk (FUTURE WEAPONS: AIRBORNE LASER)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7UPU8nP_p0 (RUSSIAN VACUUM BOMB)

(NOTE: Sometimes there are more than one clip of the same thing, or the URL will change after I post it. The best approach, if my links don't work, is to go to You Tube and enter the title I provided in their Search Box.)

Posted on Dec 11, 2009 7:38:15 AM PST
Since this discussion has morph'd into waging-war-in-the-near-future-on-Earth (rather than in Space), you may be interested in today's on-line nextbigfuture.com. They have an article titled SUPER SOLDIER UPDATES, of which I'll post some highlights below:

DARPA and others are devloping an Auto Assault-12 shotgun, which can fire 300 rounds per minute, with a magazine of 32 rounds. EMP (electromagnetic pulse) grenades are also in development.

There are also cutting-edge technologies to help the basic soldier too. (Exoskeletons, for 200 lb. backpacks ... Human Performance Augmentation includes myostatin inhibition for 78% stronger muscles; and Powerbocking to jump 5 feet up and run at 20 mph ... Instant wound healing, and injections to put wounded soldiers in hibernation, so they will survive to be treated.)

Posted on Dec 14, 2009 10:03:40 AM PST
Below is an admittedly fringe site, calling itself the biggest UFO/ET database in Europe. But this particular article on Morphing Metals and Shape Memory Alloys is rather interesting. (Whether these metals really exist, or are in use, may be debatable. But contemplating the possibilities of such "metal marvels" may be the real attention-grabber here!)

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/morphingmetals.html

Posted on Dec 16, 2009 7:51:10 AM PST
RESEARCH UPDATE! Since this thread has morph'd into cutting-edge technology and weaponry that could possibly be used in future wars or weaponry, below are some very interesting news tidbits and current research:

1) Today's nextbigfuture.com has an article titled MILITARY RESILIENCE SPINOFF BENEFITS IF CHINA MAKES A NUCLEAR MERCHANT FLEET (China's containership company (Cosco) is investigating the creation of nuclear power for commercial shipping. These ships would supposedly be less polluting, and 40 million dollars cheaper to operate a year, especially when bunker oil is $500/ton.)

2) http://www.psfc.mit.edu/pdf/11591-web.pdf
(MIT's discovery that RESONANT RADIO WAVES ROTATE TOKAMAK PLASMA. "... a technique that could make fusion plasma easier to confine.")

3) http://web.mit.edu/micropower/www/home/
(MIT's "Micro Power and Nanoengineering Project" is studying how to make 'power microeletromechanical systems'. Mainly for lasers and portable power sources.)

Posted on Dec 16, 2009 8:34:36 AM PST
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/display_article/371319/12/none/none/Feat/PHOTONIC-FRONTIERS:-FIBER-LASERS:-Fiber-lasers-ramp-up-the-powe

("With single-mode powers reaching 10kW, and multi-mode powers to 50kW, fiber lasers are going beyond industrial applications to become candidates for battlefield deployment as high-energy laser weapons.")

Posted on Dec 21, 2009 11:26:14 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2009 11:27:49 AM PST
Some interesting research on weaponized "pellets":

http://lasers.llnl.gov/programs/nic/icf/how_icf_works.php
(U.S. Government site about the 'direct approach' to ICF (Inertial Confinement Fusion), which focuses a powerful laser on a small spherical pellet with miligrams of deuterium and tritium.)

http://www.galaxiki.org/cgi-bin/local/perl/galaxiki/forum.pl?forum_topic=5&forum_thread=112
(Theoretically-speaking, how to make a plasma weapon and plasma balls.)

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5622159/claims.html
(This 1997 patent application is for a "toy" weapon that fires a shapeless, semi-solid charge.)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2009 11:55:19 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"http://lasers.llnl.gov/programs/nic/icf/how_icf_works.php
(U.S. Government site about the 'direct approach' to ICF (Inertial Confinement Fusion), which focuses a powrful laser on a small spherical pellet with miligrams of deuterium and tritium.)"

This isn't a weapon but an experiment relating to a possible fusion reactor concept where the energy released from the fusion fuel will exceed the laser energy used to produce the fusion reaction.

"http://www.galaxiki.org/cgi-bin/local/perl/galaxiki/forum.pl?forum_topic=5&forum_thread=112
(Theoretically-speaking, how to make a plasma weapon and plasma balls.)"

Not very practical.

A more realistic version would be MAHEM (Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition), in part inspired by the weapon in Arthur C. Clarke's novel ) Earthlight, published in 1955. MAHEM would be delivered to its target as a missile warhead.

http://www.darpa.mil/tto/programs/mahem/

Lots of other real future weapons on the DARPA site.

"http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5622159/claims.html
(This 1997 patent application is for a "toy" weapon that fires a shapeless, semi-solid charge.)"

An alternative Paintball Marker (paintball gun) design. Not a weapon, though nasty if you are not wearing goggles and mask.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2009 7:29:25 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
RE: Marilyn Martin . . .

Have you heard of a science that allows people to manipulate worm holes via web site or internet . . . minimal RAM . . say 1 GB . . . .? . . .
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