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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2009 9:20:29 AM PST
Hi Flowerbug!

Manipulating wormholes by a computer is still in the realm of Science Fiction, I'm afraid. But I did some digging, and there ARE some interesting studies of wormholes and/or models going on.

http://www.waseda.jp/rps/en/irp/voice/12.html
(This is the website for Dr. Jakob Hansen at Waseda University. His research focuses on "numerical (computer) simulation of black holes and wormholes".)

http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Tech/Space-Time/wormholes.html
(A document titled TRANSVERSABLE WORMHOLES: SOME IMPLICATIONS)

India Daily is basically a daily rag of dubious veracity. But I'm listing an article from it, if only for people to get interesting ideas from someone else's imagination.
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/21004.asp
(ELECTROMAGNETIC WORMHOLES ARE EASY TO CREATE ...)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2009 9:34:10 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Come on, 'Bug, use yer noggin once in a while, how 'bouts?

If Marilyn knew of something like that, wouldn't she have used it already to rid the world once and for all of alien-hybrids like you-know-who?

(You do know who, right? He posted right before you! But don't let him know you know he's an alien-hybrid, 'cause if he knows you know, he'll eat your face!)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2009 9:52:32 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"(You do know who, right? He posted right before you! But don't let him know you know he's an alien-hybrid, 'cause if he knows you know, he'll eat your face!)"

Too busy laughing at Marilyn's "Monster UFO Incoming Over South Pole?" thread on the Aliens forum just now. Oh the abhumanity!

Apparently there's a giant twenty mile UFO hovering 1.5 million miles above the South Pole and no one has noticed! And the Cassini probe (in reality busy heading for another flyby of Titan later this month) is supposedly monitoring its big brother. And the imaginary planet Nibiru is also being tracked by the South Pole Observatory (which is a mite odd as the SPO is a microwave radio telescope).

Almost as good as the Russian 'antigravity helicopter' cited on the 'Anti-gravity Out of Magnetics?' thread! 9-)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2009 10:16:06 AM PST
Flowerbug says:
RE: Marilyn Martin . . .

-- great . . thanks . . the link http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/21004.asp

was just what I was looking for. If you have any others, let me know . . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2009 10:21:49 AM PST
Flowerbug says:
RE: Craig . .

LOL Craig . . . The last thing I'll do is scratch that guy on the noggin . . . no telling what them aliens can do . . . especially if they're scratching people's faces off . . . that's enough info for me . . .I'll . . .stay away . . . .

Posted on Dec 23, 2009 6:45:27 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
(No, I said he'll EAT your face off. It's a much more personal experience than having your eyes scratched out ... which is kind of sissy wimpy, when you think about it, no?)

Master Helsdon, should that not be "under" the South Pole? Or am I just expressing my northern-hemispherian bias and prejudices?

;)

("Quick Robin! To the Mussorgsky Antigrav 'Copter!")

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2009 6:59:04 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
Craig-san,

If the imaginary giant UFO were *under* the South Pole, it would be just under 1.5 million miles above the North Pole! (It's about 7900 miles from pole to pole via the center of the Earth). (o.O)

The REG is predicting that as a good daikaijû you should be rending a city on a coastline somewhere in a few hours. Yummy crunchy buildings! (^_~)

Posted on Dec 23, 2009 7:07:59 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2009 7:12:21 AM PST
http://nextbigfuture.com

Today's edition (12/22/09) has an article titled TINY NANO-ELECROMAGNETS TURN A CLOAK OF INVISIBILITY INTO A POSSIBILITY ("Team of researchers at the FOM institute AMOLF has succeeded for the first time in powering an energy transfer between nano-electromagnets with the magnetic field of light.")

Posted on Dec 23, 2009 8:41:31 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2009 8:42:28 AM PST
OK, I admit it: I love lasers and laser-research!

That said, the University of Arizona in Tucson is doing some cutting edge laser research. Prof. Pavel Polynkin (I verified he was on staff) was interviewed by Russia Today (http://rt.com).

Prof. Polynkin is developing a special laser beam that "can curve and pass obstacles". It could be used to direct lightning, among other applications. The technology may even be able to "create curved plasma channels."

Posted on Dec 23, 2009 9:09:35 AM PST
Norfolk State University is a bit of a mystery. Although it calls itself "State", it has apparently been its own entity (not connected to Virginia) since 1969.

So it's probably no surpise that it is doing cutting-edge research on "lasers", sponsored by NASA, NSF and DOD.

I couldn't find one page that totally lists their laser studies. But snippets from faculty pages are intriguing. Ring lasers? Random medium lasers? Spin-polarized transport phenomena?

http://www.nsu.edu/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2009 9:21:11 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2009 2:16:37 PM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"It could be used to direct lightning, among other applications."

An inaccurate report. Instead, see:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16936-curved-laser-beams-could-help-tame-thunderclouds.html

The concept to direct lightning arose, not in Polynkin's team but with Jérôme Kasparian of the University of Geneva, who since 2004 has been firing plasma channel-generating lasers into thunderstorms.

One drawback is that if the lightning follows the plasma fan back to the ground it will head for its origin: the laser itself unless precautions are taken.

The European Teramobile project has already had success in guiding high-voltage (1 MV) discharges using an ordinary laser.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2009 9:32:49 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2009 2:27:14 PM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"Ring laser": the laser cavity has the shape of a ring. Various types: monolithic crystal and ring fiber.

"Random medium laser": the beam is propagated through a random medium.

"Spin-polarized transport phenomena": spintronics - exploiting the spin of the electron, its associated magnetic moment, and its electrical charge. Semiconductor lasers using spin-polarized electrical injection display a number of potentially useful features.

[No direct relevance to 'Real Upcoming Space Wars'.]

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2009 10:58:37 AM PST
Flowerbug says:
-- well . . . is it possibly to produce a mini-storm or lightning in ones own home via . . . . (you know what?). Why would plasma lasers affect lightning in our atmosphere and what was the purpose of sending laser activity into the sky . . . thanks . .. . .? . . .

Posted on Dec 23, 2009 12:12:46 PM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"Why would plasma lasers affect lightning in our atmosphere"

The laser arc ionises the air creating a plasma arc and this can trigger a lightning strike if aimed into a thunderhead. If there isn't a storm cell there it won't have any effect; if there is a storm there with a building charge it may serve to trigger and/or direct a lightning strike.

Ionisation is naturally one of the steps in the generation of lightning; ionised air is much more conductive than non-ionised air creating a potential channel between the cloud and the ground for the electrical discharge of a lightning strike to follow. In a normal storm, there are many such channels growing in stages providing conductive paths between the cloud and the ground. These form relatively slowly and the channel that first makes the full path connecting the cloud and the ground generally provides the route that the powerful flow of electrical current (the lightning strike) takes.

The artificial plasma arc generated by the laser provides such a route -- hopefully before the natural channels form -- and so dictates the path the lightning strike will take.

"what was the purpose of sending laser activity into the sky"

It demonstrates a potential means of protecting buildings and other structures from lightning strikes.

To pull this thread back on topic, you could use this to provide additional protection to rockets and missiles deployed ready for launch on the ground and to protect other assets such as ground and tracking stations.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2009 7:48:07 AM PST
Good questions, Flowerbug!

These studies are probably cloaked in need-to-know secrecy. But I would assume that directing or connecting to lightning would be another natural way to access great power.

Also, "directed" lightning could be harnessing the powers of nature for weaponry. The great Tesla, after all, had a tower built and was studying lightning near the end of his life. (When Tesla died, both the Navy and FBI arrived at his apartment to go thru his papers. So government entities obviously thought he was "onto something"!)

I doubt you could produce lightning in a home, unless you had an enclosed Tesla Coil or other scientific toy like that. Although there have been accounts of the rare ball-lightning going thru windows to get into a home (HINT: Don't touch it!), true lightning is generally only found in nature.

And don't forget, above-cloud lightning streaking upward, has long been reported by pilots, and only recently "proven" scientifically. So lightning is one of nature's most powerful displays, and thankfully only transitory. But to be able to tap that power, has long been dreamed of, no doubt.

Posted on Dec 25, 2009 8:32:03 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 25, 2009 8:33:25 AM PST
Here are some links to interesting articles/video about lightning:

http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/meteorology/shocking-facts-about-lightning/
(A good, basic explanation of lightning, from facts to video.)

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/savageplanet/03deadlyskies/02lresearch/indexmid.html
(From PBS, the current research on lightning.)

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/questions/lightning3.html
(From the government's FERMI Lab, answering the question about using lightning as a power source.)

Posted on Dec 25, 2009 1:22:37 PM PST
Here are some links to cutting-edge weaponry, either in development or soon-to-be reality:

http://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/new-bomber-to-focus-on-isr/
("... arsenal of this long-range, ISR/Strike aircraft may eventually include directed energy and network attack ...")

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/asat.htm
(The history and latest news on anti-satellite weaponry.)

http://www.powerlabs.org/emguns.htm
(This private researcher is working on Pulsed Water Detonation, Pulsed Nitrogen Lasers, Electro Thermal Chemical Guns, and Microwave Guns, among others.)

Posted on Dec 25, 2009 4:59:11 PM PST
Here's a link to a report from a consulting firm that basically says that space based weapon systems are too expensive and not particularly effective - for the time being, at least.
http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publications/PubLibrary/R.20071031.Arming_the_Heavens/R.20071031.Arming_the_Heavens.pdf

Posted on Dec 25, 2009 8:30:11 PM PST
B. A. Dilger says:
Am I really suppose to say something intelligent here? Well...What if the aliens are controlling what we write on the Internet by creating rumors of alien technologies being secretly developed?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2009 8:11:05 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 26, 2009 8:13:02 AM PST
Hi Walter!

Thanks for your post and the link. The PDF is from 2007, so I suspect it is already outmoded, at least in part.

The current anti-satellite weaponry are Earth-based lasers, which the Chinese have used effectively to destroy or hit in-orbit satellites.

Posted on Dec 26, 2009 10:50:15 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"The current anti-satellite weaponry are Earth-based lasers, which the Chinese have used effectively to destroy or hit in-orbit satellites."

No, the Chinese are using anti-satellite missiles launched from the Earth's surface, the last was on January 11, 2007.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011801029.html

Anti-satellite surface-to-space and air-to-space missiles are the most effective means of destroying or damaging a satellite in orbit.

We (and the Chinese) don't yet have lasers capable of punching through the atmosphere and destroying satellites in orbit. What has been done is to fire surface-based lasers at satellites to blind their sensors, such as the Mid-Infrared Advanced Chemical Laser (MIRACL) attempt by the US Navy on October 20, 1997.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2009 11:51:14 AM PST
To Marilyn Martin:
RE: "The PDF is from 2007..."

From 2007? Holy mothballs, Batman! [smile] You're exactly right; it most certainly is outdated by now. Well, that ought to teach me to be more careful, in general and to look at the date, in particular!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2009 11:53:23 AM PST
To M. Helsdon:
You've made some excellent points there. Thanks for the information.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2009 5:06:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 26, 2009 5:07:59 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
I don't want to put anyone down . . but George Orwell was ahead of his time . . back on the 1930's . . . he must have been talking about imagery through worm holes or some kind of bridge . . . I don't know . . . but lightning is only a small bit of what can happen between two universes . . . of course . . . there are no worm holes . . . but what creeps me out is knowing there might be a razor sharp geometrical object that can appear or disappear when ever someone wants . . . . just dreaming about that thing gives me the creeps . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2009 5:29:31 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
Marilyn Martin . .

-- any new info on nano-technology for satellite production . . . in other words . . I read an article on nano-satellites in space and wondered if the project was active . . . thanks . . .
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