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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 26, 2012 3:23:34 PM PDT
420 says:
To every rule there is an exception. If you are speaking about diamagnetism, an opposing field is generated in the object being levitated. While this cannot be considered to be a traditional method of magnetizing an object, the same goal is certainly achieved. An opposing magnetic field is generated in the object, causing levitation. So, even in the case of diamagnetism, the opposing magnetic fields are causing the levitation, and not an opposing force to gravity. In the case of Mr. Hutchison's experiments, and others', it is proposed that the levitation is caused by a field effect other than magnetism, although in some experiments the field effects have been caused with magnetism. Whether that is the case or not, time will tell and science will keep record for posterity.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 26, 2012 3:25:02 PM PDT
420 says:
To every rule there is an exception. If you are speaking about diamagnetism, an opposing field is generated in the object being levitated. While this cannot be considered to be a traditional method of magnetizing an object, the same goal is certainly achieved. An opposing magnetic field is generated in the object, causing levitation. So, even in the case of diamagnetism, the opposing magnetic fields are causing the levitation, and not an opposing force to gravity. In the case of Mr. Hutchison's experiments, and others', it is proposed that the levitation is caused by a field effect other than magnetism, although in some experiments the field effects have been caused with magnetism. Whether that is the case or not, time will tell and science will keep record for posterity.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 3:08:04 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2012 3:14:12 PM PST
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/71619295/803-page-Collection-of-Papers-on-Anti-Gravity-Research
803 PAGE COLLECTION OF PAPERS ON ANTI-GRAVITY RESEARCH

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/menu.html#Gravity
GRAVITY, ANTI-GRAVITY AND GRAVITY SHIELDING PAPERS

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Antigravity-May-Be-Pushing-the-Universe-Apart-195071.shtml
ANTI-GRAVITY MAY BE PUSHING THE UNIVERSE APART

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 2, 2012 3:36:50 PM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"803 PAGE COLLECTION OF PAPERS ON ANTI-GRAVITY RESEARCH"

Tags: david icke, John Taylor Gatto, history of american education, underground history, Jon Rappoport, The Illuminati, Noam Chomsky, History of Freemasonry, The Magician, Volume 3.

So not serious research....

"GRAVITY, ANTI-GRAVITY AND GRAVITY SHIELDING PAPERS"

'theliving moon' isn't a serious site.

"ANTI-GRAVITY MAY BE PUSHING THE UNIVERSE APART"

Someone doesn't understand current theories about the accelerating expansion of the universe...

Whilst this is the science fiction forum, those pages are citing fiction, not science.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 3:48:18 PM PST
In order to be fair and to give it equal time, I propose Anti-Gravity through Acoustic Levitation!!

Short 1 minute video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=669AcEBpdsY

That's what that music the alien flying saucers used in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" was REALLY for!!

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 4:41:34 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2012 4:43:16 PM PST
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16565

PHYS-FORUM: ANTI-GRAVITY SPACE PROPULSION PHYSICS
"... insiders say the government already has anti-grav ships that they say use mercury-compound plasmas in exact accordance to Heim theory."

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02documents/Project_Grasp.html
BOEING ANTI-GRAVITY PROJECT "GRASP"

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 3, 2012 12:40:45 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
""... insiders say the government already has anti-grav ships that they say use mercury-compound plasmas in exact accordance to Heim theory.""

A conspiracy theory you've repeatedly cited in different guises.

"BOEING ANTI-GRAVITY PROJECT "GRASP""

A number of reputable organisations have looked into anti-gravity, and found nothing in it.

Posted on Dec 3, 2012 12:54:35 AM PST
In which scientific journal can I find the mathematical formula and proofs for the theory of antigravity? The math must be built up from base components and serve as a proof.

Posted on Dec 3, 2012 1:02:27 PM PST
Old Rocker -

Here are some sites with "anti-gravity equations":

http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/Book7/Antigravitypushingstrongelectricbasicgravity.htm
ANTI-GRAVITY - DR. HENRY TEJMAN CHAIM, JERUSALEM UNIVERSITY

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0803/0803.2864.pdf
EXACT ANTIGRAVITY-FIELD SOLUTIONS OF EINSTEIN'S EQUATION
Paper by Franklin s. Felber, Physics Division, Starmark, Inc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y356PNQw-mM
ANTI-GRAVITY / COLD FUSION EXPLAINED IN DETAIL

Posted on Dec 3, 2012 5:39:06 PM PST
Oz Yankee says:
Back in the 80s I read a book by Duncan Long called "Anti-Grav Unlimited"

I enjoyed it... I also expected a sequel... the story's end certainly left that as an option.

to my knowlege none was written..

I may need to look in the garage and find the paperback so I can reread it

..

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2012 10:57:30 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"ANTI-GRAVITY - DR. HENRY TEJMAN CHAIM, JERUSALEM UNIVERSITY"

He's a *medical* doctor; his ideas aren't supported by any genuine physicists.

"EXACT ANTIGRAVITY-FIELD SOLUTIONS OF EINSTEIN'S EQUATION"

Hmm, you didn't read the paper or understand that their usage of 'anti-gravity' has nothing to do with what you believe anti-gravity is. The abstract makes their usage clear: 'Exact payload trajectories in the strong gravitational fields of compact masses moving with constant relativistic velocities are calculated. The strong field of a suitable driver mass at relativistic speeds can quickly propel a heavy payload from rest to a speed significantly faster than the driver, a condition called hyperdrive. Hyperdrive thresholds and maxima are calculated as functions of driver mass and velocity.' And no, the hyperdrive isn't faster-than-light. This is simply referring to using the gravitation of a large spinning mass to accelerate another mass.

"ANTI-GRAVITY / COLD FUSION EXPLAINED IN DETAIL"

Ah, yes, YouTube explanations of things that aren't based in genuine physics.

Posted on Dec 4, 2012 12:29:34 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2012 12:32:24 PM PST
Thanks for having an Open Mind, Oz Yankee. If we left this planet to the disinfo types like Helsdon, we'd all still be living in caves.

Anti-Grav Unlimited

"19 Used from $0.28"

Posted on Dec 4, 2012 1:08:04 PM PST
And if we left science knowledge dissemination to folks like Marilyn, we'd be back to burning witches and believing the Sun went around the Earth. She's yet to comprehend what being open minded really means.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2012 9:20:49 PM PST
I saw no proofs of anti-gravity. The equations were simply previously accepted equations that have been around for 100 years or so.

Posted on Dec 5, 2012 5:46:10 PM PST
Oz Yankee says:
Rest assured - the equation for anti-gravity is secured in a tinfoil wrapped matchbox tucked inside an old jelly jar with my collection of antique metal buttons... kept under my matress..

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:37:39 PM PST
You should bury it in a tomb on the Prime Meridian with a cleverly disguised Masonic symbol enscribed on the door.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 4:00:01 AM PST
Oz Yankee says:
I had concerns that tomb hackers could gain entry with uttering a magical phrase such as "Open Sez a Me"

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 12:22:44 AM PST
Yes, one guy from the army claimed to have been posted to guard a flying saucer as it rested on the ground then said that it flew off at impossible acceleration. real science fiction there.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 8:25:10 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Is this nonsense thread still active?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 8:58:06 PM PST
It is now. Thanks.

Posted on Dec 19, 2012 12:25:43 AM PST
Granted, my physics is more than rusty,but aren't they different forces? Isn't gravity related to mass and magnetics has to do with the quantum property of magnetic materials? I mean, it strikes me as tantamount to saying air pressure is anti gravity because planes fly.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 12:42:16 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Exactly. My post on p. 13, from November 2009:

"Magnetic levitation is only anti-gravity in the same way that Balloon Boy's flying saucer was."

(Refers to that hoax about the kid floating away in that homemade balloon.)

http://www.amazon.com/forum/science%20fiction/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxWK0QNW07Z4M7&cdMsgID=Mx1LPCVX4NEFCEW&cdMsgNo=322&cdPage=13&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3K8U3BIXX25BW#Mx1LPCVX4NEFCEW

20 forum pages and three years on and I'd put good money on Marilyn still not understanding this basic distinction. Oh well.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 10:06:58 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 10:12:44 AM PST
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/12/magnonics-is-extension-of-spintronics.html

"MAGNONICS" IS AN EXTENSION OF SPINTRONICS AND RELATED TO HELIX MAGNETISM
No relation to anti-gravity (yet), but still an interesting discovery.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/12/metamaterials-can-reduce-electrons.html
METAMATERIALS CAN REDUCE ELECTRONS' EFFECTIVE MASS TO NEARLY ZERO
"... materials to manipulate electromagnetic waves and fields in previously impossible ways." THIS may be closer to anti-gravity ...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 2:11:50 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"No relation to anti-gravity (yet)"

Or ever. Magnetism is not antigravity. You still don't get it, do you?

"THIS may be closer to anti-gravity ..."

No. It's about reducing the *effective mass* of electrons to zero. It has to do with semiconductors and "may pave the way for faster electronic devices and detectors and functional materials with a strong electrical response in the infrared regime."

Nothing at all about antigravity. (So what if you have zero-effective-mass electrons? What about the mass of the protons and neutrons in the atoms composing the object you want to have floating about using your antigravity? D'uh. Think!)

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 5:27:36 PM PST
Sigh. This only deals with moving electrons through materials. It says 'effective mass' because they think they can move the electrons more quickly using the right material. Accelerating an electron faster MAKES IT SEEM as if it has lower mass. It doesn't really have lower mass. That's what 'effective' means. They are making it REACT faster than it normally would.

It has implications for faster switches and circuits, and (though the article does NOT say the following, and here is a true speculative statement), perhaps it may help someday to create high temperature superconductors.

It as NOTHING to do with gravity. Zippo. Not even remotely.
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