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Posted on Jun 5, 2012 12:34:35 PM PDT
Thanks, Walter!

I did read Tau Zero long ago but had forgotten it. I went to Wikipedia to see which other of Poul's novels that I had read, since I remember reading a number of them back in the 60s and 70s, and found this bit of trivia:

He had 1 daughter, Astrid (!!), who is married to science fiction author Greg Bear.
I like Greg Bear and have read a number of his novels also. Wow, I never would have guessed the connection.

Posted on Jun 27, 2012 11:06:59 AM PDT
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/darpaski/

RUSSIA WANTS ITS OWN MILITARY "DARPA"

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 3:27:40 AM PDT
Mark Twain says:
An interesting and very lengthy article:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/19/disclosure-time-games/

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 8:22:53 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 8:24:25 AM PDT
Gaffrey -

A very good and sobering article. Most people dismiss "conspiracists" - some of whom pay the price of going public with what they know, and soon die mysteriously or disappear.

And the U.S. military/government has the most powerful secrets, since they steal ET technology from crashed saucers, send the devices to Pentagon contractors, and everyone gets part of the money-pie if something truly useful is developed.

Add in the "contracted" abductions from the last century, that no one in the U.S. government/military wants to admit to (or be sued for), and you can understand how the U.S. will never have Total Disclosure of the UFO/ET conundrum.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 9:48:27 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 10:01:30 AM PDT
M. Helsdon says:
"An interesting and very lengthy article:"

Only in that it collects together every bonkers conspiracy theory going. If it were science fiction, it would be very weak science fiction...

Operation Market Garden - if such classified documents existed, the author wouldn't have seen them, and he seems unaware that the operation failed in part because follow-up ground forces were delayed by the demolition of a critical crossing, and because of the effects of bad weather (and intelligence errors resulting from the assumption that the Dutch Resistance were compromised - which after the war turned out to be partially correct).

The 'very large German submarine' 'off Argentina' seems to be a confused account of U-977 and its surrender to the Argentine Navy in 1945. The claim that 'Other such subs carried key technologies to Japan and one surrendered to the US in April 1945 and contained the Uranium used in the Hiroshima bomb' seems to be based on U-234's cargo of uranium oxide which probably was sent to the Manhattan Project's Oak Ridge diffusion plant, but after processing there would have been an insufficient quantity of U235 to build the Hiroshima bomb, and the timing is out as well.

'The space shuttle can fly to the moon, carry a lander or fly around it any time. It always had the cargo capacity, the capability of refueling from the ISS (International Space Station) and was, if needed, capable of modification for distances well beyond the moon.' No. Although the nozzles of the three main engines could be swiveled there was no onboard fuel tank for the engines, and whilst, with modification, an onboard tank might have occupied all or part of the cargo bay or an external tank attached in orbit, this was never a design feature. Its normal orientation in orbit was upside down/engines pointing in direction of travel, so that when the payload bay doors were opened the radiators on the inside could radiate away waste heat generated by the crew and equipment, away from the Sun (at times when overheated was an issue, the shuttle would turn whilst the Earth blocked sunlight to radiate out into deep space). Beyond Earth orbit the shuttle would have had real issues with waste heat. The vehicle was never designed to be anything more than a low Earth orbiter.

As the article gets these three topics seriously wrong, the more extreme conspiracy theories aren't worth assessing in detail. Anyone taken in by this article is either credulous or lacking in any ability to perform analytical thinking. It also points out for any would-be authors that if you want to create conspiracy theory plots, you have to be more creative and employ better research than the author.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 12:41:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 12:43:12 PM PDT
MH. You're talking to and about the Gaffinator and everything you said went so far over his head, it gave him athletes scalp. You have to turn it down a few notches. I arrest people like the Gaffer all the time. One thing you learn along the way is you want to speak to them in a language they can understand.

For instance.....

Operation Market Garden failed because Gene Hackman made a really lousy Polish General and Ryan O'neal was too busy slapping around Farah. Anthony Hopkins was having some Gestapo guys liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti, and couldn't be bothered to make a solid defense. Sean Connery was trying to figure out a way to get rid of Roger Moore.

James Caan was asking why his son is so short, Michael Caine was trying to land a role in the next Austin Powers movie, Edward Fox was trying to get a court order to keep Gaffer from stalking him. The stalking began after Gaffer saw Day of the Jackel and thought Edward Fox rolled that way.

Of course Maximilian Schell was hoping to get in the movie Vampires with James Woods and one of the lesser Baldwin brothers.

Hardy Kruger was ticked off because he always plays the German soldier in all his movies and was hoping this might have been a musical comedy. Nobody cared about Dirk Bogarde.

Gaffrey got confused AND excited when he heard about a large submarine. Country of origin was not important. As long as it was full of seamen.

That's how you do it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 1:01:03 PM PDT
M. Helsdon says:
"I arrest people like the Gaffer all the time."

That's the way conspiracy theories get started, Agent S.

"One thing you learn along the way is you want to speak to them in a language they can understand."

The 'Harry Callahan' method?

The article read like an attempt to create a unified conspiracy theory, but it was missing a few. The author has obviously never read The Illuminatus! Trilogy: The Eye in the Pyramid, The Golden Apple, Leviathan.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 1:49:40 AM PDT
Mark Twain says:
There are both negative abductions and positive interactions neither is false BLACK OPS is responsible for some Marilyn. There will NOT be any Offical public disclosure by the Covernment PTB. UnOffical disclosure is everywhere and for very import reason's the very nature thus far of open contact is covet and clandestine as is the Military's efforts. The time is coming and shall not go passed as Dr Edgar Mitchell has stated the Earth is heavily pregnant and shall give birth to a reknewed world from the old as is happening now. It is known by those that matter

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 1:51:26 AM PDT
Mark Twain says:
ah LOL you crack myself up to no end can you say disinfo agent 3 times fast?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 1:52:40 AM PDT
Mark Twain says:
Arrest people such as myself all the time huh for what? The charge being? What a crook

Posted on Jul 1, 2012 7:47:47 AM PDT
Gaffrey -

I understand how some things must be kept secret for "national security". But with all the leaps in technology and electronics today due to computers and "open source science" on the Internet, you really need to examine what old and outdated secrets are still being held today, and exactly why.

There are still "secrets" from WWII that are gradually coming out. Took me forever to pry out the information that the U.S. and Mexico housed German POWs during WWII:

http://www.amazon.com/forum/world%20war%20ii/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxMYVHVIJO2CP3&cdThread=Tx1MN2OCZP53PZ4

Why was this "secret" still being guarded? Especially since Operation Paperclip after the war brought all the top German rocket scientists to the U.S., and was widely publicized.

I still say that outdated but still guarded "secrets" are all about money and power being concentrated among as few people as possible - so that few can get rich on the secrecy.

EXAMPLE: The Roswell crash yielded up small interior gadgets that were eventually understood - and went on to make some companies and people very rich: a night vision eyepiece and a pen-sized laser, among other items. Phil Corso was the military officer in charge of taking these Roswell items to the top scientists of the day (including von Braun).

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 9:37:41 AM PDT
M. Helsdon says:
"Arrest people such as myself all the time huh for what?"

I didn't mention arresting anyone.

"The charge being?"

As you seem to want to be charged with something, maybe insulting human intelligence? You do realise this is the science *fiction* forum?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 9:40:35 AM PDT
M. Helsdon says:
"There are still "secrets" from WWII that are gradually coming out. Took me forever to pry out the information that the U.S. and Mexico housed German POWs during WWII:"

Curiously, this was never a secret, and sources are widely available.

"EXAMPLE: The Roswell crash yielded up small interior gadgets that were eventually understood - and went on to make some companies and people very rich: a night vision eyepiece and a pen-sized laser, among other items. Phil Corso was the military officer in charge of taking these Roswell items to the top scientists of the day (including von Braun)."

Fantasy.

Posted on Jul 1, 2012 12:19:52 PM PDT
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/hypersonic/

RUSSIA AND INDIA WORKING ON MACH 7 MISSILES
Our Air Force is also working on a new hypersonic missile for its stealth fighters. And the Army's Advanced Hypersonic Weapon has been successfully tested, but is still not to a deployable stage.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 1:03:38 PM PDT
M. Helsdon says:
"RUSSIA AND INDIA WORKING ON MACH 7 MISSILES"

The USA had a Mach 10 missile in the 1970s: the Sprint.

Posted on Jul 4, 2012 7:43:23 AM PDT
http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/229755/the-secret-labs-where-americas-most-futuristic-weapons-are-built

THE SECRET LABS WHERE AMERICA'S MOST FUTURISTIC WEAPONS ARE BUILT
Forget mega-hardware, the newest weapons are gizmos, computer viruses and complex code-breaking computers.

Posted on Jul 4, 2012 8:23:48 AM PDT
Thank God for foreign news sources reporting on American developments our lamestream media won't print ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18630622

U.S. ARMY DEVELOPS A LIGHTNING LASER WEAPON
It can fire a laser-guided lightning bolt at a target. "The Laser-Induced Plasma Channel (LIPC) is designed to hit targets that conduct electricity better than the air or ground that surrounds them."

Probably with Tesla's last research on lightning as the starting point.

Posted on Jul 4, 2012 10:48:52 AM PDT
You didn't look or research very hard, Marilyn. I read this almost a week ago from purely USA sources.
Ex. CBS News, June 29th-> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57463922/u.s-army-developing-laser-based-lightning-weapon/

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 5:11:00 PM PDT
TO: Marilyn Martin

Thanks for the interesting link. However, the article did mention that, "Details of the weapon were released on the US Army's website." When one visits that site, one finds a more detailed article, dated a week before the BBC article.

Reference: http://www.army.mil/article/82262

Posted on Jul 5, 2012 5:09:21 AM PDT
Nihlus says:
Slightly off topic (maybe) but has anyone ever wondered why with so many video and picture cameras available how come no one has a good image of a flying saucer that isn't shaky or out of focus? I mean its the high def age now correct?

Posted on Jul 5, 2012 8:37:19 AM PDT
T. Townsend -

This topic is covered in the "Aliens" forum. But to answer your question, there are too many hoaxed UFO photos/video anymore, with all the Photoshop software out there.

Even UFO researchers are relying more on corroborated observers and their reports, and trace evidence if the craft landed, rather than on UFO photos or videos. The only exception being when observers photo/videotape the same UFO at the same time from different locations, like the Jerusalem UFO event over The Dome Of The Rock.

http://www.amazon.com/forum/aliens

Posted on Jul 5, 2012 10:03:36 AM PDT
Hi Walter!

I don't visit the Army's website, and if CBS picked up the story, it never made it to the news aggregaters or New Media sites I check most often.

I know our Intel Agencies say that foreign sources find most of the information they want to know from open sources, especially on the Internet. But I find interesting U.S. stories in overseas media a LOT.

Posted on Jul 5, 2012 10:41:37 AM PDT
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/07/supersonic-mini-drone-being-built.html#more

SUPERSONIC MINI-DRONE
"Researchers at the University of Colorado are building the smallest supersonic jet engine ever made - and are attaching it to a 22 pound UAV... The initial vehicle is targeted at Mach 1.4, with the eventual aim of a UAV capable of Mach 1.6-1.7."

Posted on Jul 7, 2012 9:33:16 AM PDT
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/07/darpa-continues-investments-in-extreme.html#more

FORGET STEALTH - DARPA IS INVESTING IN "EXTREME HYPERSONICS"
"Hypersonic technologies have the potential to provide the dominance once afforded by stealth. to support a range of varied future national security missions."

Extreme hypersonic flight at Mach 20 would enable the DoD to get anywhere in the world in under an hour.

Posted on Jul 17, 2012 10:05:44 AM PDT
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/syria/

NUKES ON THE LOOSE
I too wish this was farther into the future, but it's becoming more of a problem, as autocratic governments collapse and their nuclear arsenals are vulnerable to quick-money sales - or theft.
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