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In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 11:14:50 AM PDT
Donna says:
HUH? BSG was "OK" ??? Babylon 5 cant even touch BSG's. The fakey aliens, I can't get past them in Bab 5. I may try giving it another try but one reason BSG is so outstanding is there are no fakey aliens. Cylons? Yes, but very human ones (The Centurions we don't hear from much as story lines).

Posted on May 28, 2012 4:06:15 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
You must be kidding. Babylon 5 was one of the best SF series ever put together. Do you know what good sci fi is all about? Do you bother to read sci fi? Do you know the authors of sci fi books? With over fifty years of reading sci fi books I think I know good sci fi when I see it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 4:43:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2012 5:12:28 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
The Call of Cthulu was an oldie but goodie and was a true horror novel and movie. They also made a good video game about it. The sci fi channel has gone downhill with all their reality shows and movies like Dinosaurus and 007 flicks. They should bring back Babylon 5 and the Dresden Files for old times sake. The only thing I watch now on sci fi is Lost Girl which is not bad and surprisingly adult. Being Human had some good moments but they have a long way to go. Honestly Sci fi doesn't have as many addicts and movies as the other genres, but there were some good movies in the past. Five million Years to Earth, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Invaders from Mars to name a few. Priest wasn't bad but was never shown on TV. Total Recall was good. Bladerunner, This Island Earth and Logans Run were oldies but goodies. Maybe they should bring back the X files for a while. There are many authors I would love to see on the screen if they are done right.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 4:53:36 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2012 5:08:00 PM PDT
Donna says:
J: To your insulting questions: Yes, Yes and Yes. I just have better taste than some. I like my aliens to look possible, my human characters to actually have a character and like I said, I have heard a lot about Bab 5 so I may give it another try but have tried twice already so I will have to hang in there a bit longer. Oh, and by the way, I think we are talking in this discussion about TV series and films, not books, although I read almost exclusively scifi.
Edit: seeing your next post I watch all the shows you mentioned and avoid the ones you also avoid. I have not seen Lost Girl but will look for it. I did like the BBC version of Being Human rather than the US version. Also Torchwood.
2nd Edit: I apologize, I was getting Babylon 5 mixed up with Farscape. Another one I will give a second look at.

Posted on May 28, 2012 5:09:47 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2012 5:17:19 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
Aliens looking like humans are highly unrealistic. Aliens are for the most part, ALIEN, which means they come from places possibly or not earthlike and have different philosophies and agendas than humans. BSG was a rehash of the original premise of robots who were chasing the last Battlestar throughout the galaxy. The Sy Fy channel took the premise, converted it and made it what it is today. Personally I don't think the people who run the station ever bothered to read a sci fi book in their lives and they have a total lack of imagination about good sci fi. Stargate Universe comes to mind. Alastair Reynolds, Neal Asher, China Meiville, Gregory Benford, Arthur C Clarke and Peter Hamilton are some authors I would love to see in film. Oh, and Lost Girl is on tonight and is the only show I bother to watch on SY Fy.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 5:16:41 PM PDT
Donna says:
Did you ever even watch BSG? Ronald D Moore who was the creative on BSG had done many scifi films before. It was the last Battlestar but it was a fleet of the last humans left after the Cylons destroyed humans on Caprica. Since the humans created these Cylons they were very human. I doubt you ever watched BSG all the way from beginning to end. You probably prefer the dated version in the 80's.

I also watched and liked all the Stargate shows.

Posted on May 28, 2012 5:23:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2012 5:29:44 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
Stargate Atlantis was okay but not great sci fi. After watching it for a while it got boring and I couldn't take it anymore. It seems that when it comes to sci fi, there is a real lack of imagination of the wonders of the universe. They take aliens then make a soap opera out of it because they don't know where to go with it. There were two series that had some possibilities that they got rid of, Invasion was one, and Surface was the other but there was a lack of viewers because many people are not into sci fi. Next week the second part of Falling Skies will be shown and the show did have possibilities. I believe Spielberg has his hand in it. They showed Avatar on TV last week quite a few times along with the Abyss, another great movie. I saw the newer BSG and couldn't handle it since the premise was the same only they dealt with the human relationships. Same old, same old.

In reply to an earlier post on May 28, 2012 5:50:11 PM PDT
Donna says:
I like a little humanity with my aliens. I like human relationships in my scifi. Otherwise it is REALLY boring. By the way, how do all these "alien" creatures from other planets speak English? No explanation usually, where there could be one.
I also watched Invasion, Surface, Fringe and Falling Skies and can't wait for Falling Skies to begin again.
So I am sure you never watched the entirety of the new BSG. Too much humanity in it. Which is what I like. I assume you are a man so that explains the difference. Unfortunately. But I like battles too, just as much.

Posted on May 28, 2012 7:30:39 PM PDT
J. Schwarz,

OK, now this is something weird I saw today. Did you know that there was a Cthulhu Barbie?

Posted on May 28, 2012 10:01:21 PM PDT
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Tom Rogers says:
Hello Cthulhu could someday vault into genuine memehood. I've got the Hello Kitty strat, I'm hoping for a matching Hello Lovecraft themed guitar.

Posted on May 29, 2012 6:36:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 6:37:50 AM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
Cthulu is an old novel by HP Lovecraft, an old horror master. Read a few of his books and stories which were scary. Didn't know about the doll. The video game is scary and it has a scary atmosphere. The movie was also scary.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 9:00:23 AM PDT
Deep breath, doesn't that feel better? Everybody has their own opinion and taste in these things--it's no biggie. As I stated earlier I didn't care for the new BSG either. They did have human looking Cylons, but I liked the robotic looking ones better. In fact, I ordered the box set not long ago off Amazon. Truthfully I think the reason the SyFy channel made them look more human-like was more a budgetary reason than any other reason. That probably hold true for a lot of series and movies. You mostly see anthropomorphic forms and such probably for the same reason, not creativity, although I tend think the universe would hold many different type aliens if they exist--just as varied as the animal species, and yes, they would speak in different languages, etc. That's why I like the idea of them using translation devices etc. Like I said, this probably comes down to everybody's individual idea and taste of how SF should be written, made, and played out.

J. You mentioned a few other series. I'd never heard of Surface, I'll have to see if it's available to rent or Google it. I also enjoyed the TV series Threshold too. It was canceled, but can be rented on NF & probably Amazon too. Logan's Run was also mentioned, and I recently picked up the box set of that TV series off Amazon. I enjoyed the original movie, and the TV series is an extension of that, but without the larger special effects, although for what it is, is pretty well made. If you enjoyed the movie, check it out.

Posted on May 29, 2012 12:03:54 PM PDT
Donna says:
3Dollar: " I think the reason the SyFy channel made them look more human-like was more a budgetary reason than any other reason."

If you watched the show you would know that the fact that the original Cylons which were the robotic kind made by man evolved into looking human was more so they could infiltrate humans and destroy the remaining ones. It was intrinsic to the story, not a budget consideration. They did do a very good job of CGI for the Centurions (robotic model of Cylons) and the renditions of space fighting etc.

Posted on May 29, 2012 1:07:27 PM PDT
Donna, as I said earlier in my previous post, I didn't watch the remake of BSG. I tried many times as the series does have its share of diehard fans, as you seem to be one of them. Having been a fan of TOS, I was a bit let down (I guess you could say) by the newer series, and didn't care for some of the floating camera technique that they employ. I find that annoying, nor did I like the way they changed some of the lead characters. There wasn't really any good guys (heroes) they were painted more shades of gray, which sometimes I can find that interesting. But overall, it wasn't for me, preferring the original series more. What you stated about the human-looking Cylons is more intrinsic to the series, yes.

But what I'm stating is: I think the creators of the new series probably just made the Cylons look human because it was cheaper to produce the show that way and cut down on special effects, so they came up with that plausible explanation of why they look human to fit the series and cannon of it. Nuff said.

Posted on May 29, 2012 1:54:33 PM PDT
Donna says:
I don't know what TOS is. Second if you did not watch you do not realize the really good special effects that were done on the Cylon Centurions and the space scenes, battles, etc. But it seems whatever I say you persevere in your views and we are all entitled to those. For me it was far superior to the first BSG and I loved the characters who were not black or white but shades of gray, as humans are.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 3:57:29 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 4:02:00 PM PDT
K. Stacey says:
TOS: The Original Series.
nBSG/rBSG: new or re-imaged Battlestar Galactica
RIS: Re-imaged Series.

EDIT: I love both series. :3 They both have their merits, depending on what kind of mood your in. If I want a hardcore technical scifi experience, I'll turn to TOS. If I want a more "what does it mean to be human?" or soft-science scifi, I'll turn to rBSG.

One of the things I really loved in the first series is the communications wall. I wished that they had put it into the redux. On the other hand, one of the things that I really liked about rBSG is that it had a much more...realistic feel to the ships. Like, "given us a few years and we'll be fielding some Battlestars" kind of realism.

~K. Stacey
"By your Command."

Posted on May 29, 2012 4:02:44 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 4:02:57 PM PDT
Primer and Time Crimes.

I did recently watch 2001, but that almost doesn't count because it's such an easy pick.

Posted on May 29, 2012 4:14:17 PM PDT
S. Przada says:
All time best Sci-Fi movie ever is Gattaca. It's so close to where we are headed, that you can see it coming. For a great laugh try Idiocrasy. That's another one that has a good grasp of where we are headed, and it's not pretty.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 4:31:46 PM PDT
K. Stacey says:
Gattaca is straight up amazing. Love love love love it.

~K. Stacey
"By your command."

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 7:54:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 8:04:32 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
Surface was pretty good and just when it started to become really interesting they cancelled it. The same thing was done with Dark Angel, a James Cameron series. It was also starting to become very interesting but Sci fi addicts are a selective bunch and the general population wants their crime dramas. Surface can be purchased on Amazon along with Invasion. Gattaca was good but more reality than fantasy since that is where we may be heading. There aren't many sci fi movies that I missed. Much of the good sci fi is now on the BBC channel. If you never caught Lost Girl it has some interesting moments, since she is a succubus and is into solving crimes of the Fey or special people. A lot of adult stuff in it too for a sci fi flick, and last week was quite good. And the language and situations have not been seen on US TV to date. Some of it is most likely R rated.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 7:57:55 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 8:19:44 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
The problem witht the powers that be on the sci fi channel is that they lack any imagination. So they show BSG the old one, need a new show, then redo the same theme, only change the robots into people as a cost cutting measure. I would have rather seen Dresden files, which most likely needs less of a budget but was a well done series. I hope they bring it back and do some new episodes. I mean don't the people have ANY imagination? The only series I would love to see again was Babylon 5, but most likely it will never be shown again. Yet it too can be purchased on Amazon. I consider it to be one of the best SF series ever made.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:10:54 PM PDT
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Donna says:
Agree about Surface. And the shows that should be on Syfi channel are not, they are too cheap or too commercial now to make them. Very sad. BSG the new one was the best thing on and I never even knew it was on until it was done. I watched the whole series streaming. The robots as people was part of the story and worked very well in my opinion. We have very differing opinions here but I will always defend the new BSG as the best show on TV past or present.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:31:15 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 8:34:57 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
That's the difference between the sexes. Women like the relationships maybe sometimes with aliens although how does one have a relationship with a large silicate based life form? Men like the mystery and excitement of exploring new dimensions and worlds, and that is the way we were programmed. Most Sci fi writers of the classic books were men, and the danger and exploration of what is possible draws many male readers into the genre. I can't imagine what relationships there will be while exploring the caves of Mars. But one never knows, however bumped into a female grad student doing research in planetary geology at the museum while on a tour with two NASA affiliated professors. So I guess there are women into the planetary geology fields, which was refreshing.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:51:09 PM PDT
Donna says:
And some women like me prefer both: exploring new worlds and relationships, hopefully in the same story. I liked Stargate: SG1 and Atlantis because I just love the possibility of going through a Stargate wormhole (altho impossible) to another world. Where they speak English, of course, LOL.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 9:00:56 PM PDT
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J. Schwarz says:
Then you might like Sliders which was an old TV grade B series that had a kind of charm to it. In it a young man built a machine to take a few people into alternate worlds similar to earth but in each episode slightly different than our own. It too can be purchased here. As for SG1 and Atlantis, too boring and predictable. Again some imagination that went sour.
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