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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 24, 2012 4:51:25 PM PDT
Lj3d says:
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I used the toaster for wedding vids and small time freelance stuff like some modified shots of a race car in toaster paint.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 25, 2012 7:40:03 AM PDT
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I think that it's in us to want to explore. However, because of the enormous cost I think that the government will have to be involved in some way. I've heard of space "lotteries" being proposed that would allow people to participate in some way if they wished. Perhaps once the goverment figures out that space exploration could perhaps be a new industry for the country then the commercial aspect would take effect. I wrote a book that touches on this. Preview it and help me out. Thanks... Into The Walking Sun: The Great Door Opens

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 25, 2012 12:24:42 PM PDT
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Hi Walter!

"It also would not surprise me if the Japanese become the first people to establish a viable, profitable, manned commercial and industrial presence in space."

You'd think so, but I haven't read anything on Japanese commercial space ventures. China wants to build a factory on the moon, but the way they cut corners, it'll probably end up free-floating in orbit.

Although, the way the Japanese love their robots, maybe they'll colonize with robots, moved around by Wii type controllers from Earth that was once (still?) proposed for U.S. mining on the moon.

Posted on Jul 25, 2012 2:08:03 PM PDT

Docking gear for Russian flights to the ISS failed, as reported Tuesday. Russia's single-use Progress cargo ship, laden with trash, was due to burn up on re-entry on July 30. The craft is now orbiting a safe distance from the ISS, while Russian Engineers study why the Kurs-NA rendezvous system automatically aborted during the linkup attempt.

Posted on Jul 28, 2012 9:06:29 PM PDT
I'm back. I didn't have the cash for a new computer, so I did what any proud American would do in such a situation: I took on debt.

Posted on Jul 31, 2012 12:31:17 PM PDT
Hope you and your new computer are doing OK, Sailor!


Posted on Jul 31, 2012 1:14:08 PM PDT
So far, so good.

I hope China succeeds in landing their probe. We need some shaking up.

Posted on Aug 2, 2012 2:16:54 PM PDT


Posted on Aug 2, 2012 5:55:56 PM PDT
Good! The more the better.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 3, 2012 12:57:44 AM PDT
Lj3d says:
I hope your right but since we've already been to the moon, its not gonna be much of a shake. I'm banking on the private sector. If they can bring the cost of getting to LEO down, we won't need NASA for getting just to LEO. We will still need them for going beyond to some degree. A merger of private sector, NASA and international participants seems to be the most likely route back to the moon and on to asteroids, mars and beyond.
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Posted on Aug 3, 2012 7:27:16 AM PDT
Yeah, we'll need NASA for along time to break new ground, to find out if things can be done without having to worry about whether or not they're going to turn a profit or not. The private sector wouldn't've put a man in space when nobody knew if a human being could survive it. But now that this has been demonstrated for decades, it's time for spaceliners.

I guess that means "I agree."

Posted on Aug 3, 2012 10:50:33 AM PDT

"Next year, Mars One will hold a worldwide lottery to select 40 people to train to be civilian astronauts... By 2023, the (trimmed down group of 10) will be sent to Mars to form the first permanent human settlement."

Posted on Aug 3, 2012 10:55:04 AM PDT
Good luck.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 3, 2012 11:19:01 AM PDT
Lj3d says:
It should be pretty interesting to see how the private sector efforts look within 10-15 years.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 3, 2012 11:26:04 AM PDT
M. Helsdon says:
"Next year, Mars One will hold a worldwide lottery to select 40 people to train to be civilian astronauts... By 2023, the (trimmed down group of 10) will be sent to Mars to form the first permanent human settlement."

It won't be permanent, because assuming they actually get as far as sending anyone to Mars, they will die there. The 'colony' supposedly would extract water from the soil, recycle used water, extract oxygen from water, mostly grow their food, and all on a budget of $6B. Basically it is intended to recoup via a reality tv show, probably of the training and and 'selection' process on Earth. It is very unlikely that any of the 'crew' would even get beyond Earth orbit.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 3, 2012 11:27:31 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 3, 2012 11:28:33 AM PDT
Lj3d says:
This is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen in a long time. I generally like new ideas. The Rutan Space Ship 1, the Bigelow space hotel ideas, Space "X". But this plan is "Mars because were desperate" IMO. Whoever gets to go may well not ever return. And the fact they eventually plan to return humans shows the serious flaw here. The reason for this idea is it has been claimed returning from mars is too expensive and too hard. Whomever was to go had to be prepared to stay. Then they claim this will only be till return tech can be developed. Why not wait to develop the return tech along with the going to tech? Whats the hurry? To get an idea of how tough its going to get, just read up on the Biosphere project which was built on Earth instead of a much harsher Mars.

Posted on Aug 3, 2012 11:43:09 AM PDT
We had the Mars One discussion back on screen 88 of this thread, 2 months ago. Even Marilyn commented on it. I guess she forgot.

Posted on Aug 6, 2012 11:51:38 AM PDT
I stayed up late last night to watch NASA's live streaming of the entry, descent and landing of the Mars probe Odyssey. It was pretty entertaining and they did a nice job. I also got to see the first 2 photos as they came in a few minutes after landing.

Today, I saw the following article. They managed to position the MRO (a Mars orbiter craft) to catch a snapshot of the probe descending with its chute deployed.

"If HiRISE took the image one second before or one second after, we probably would be looking at an empty Martian landscape," said Sarah Milkovich, HiRISE investigation scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

Silly NASA...All that work. I guess they don't read Marilyn's posts and didn't realize they could just photoshop it?!

Posted on Aug 7, 2012 10:09:06 AM PDT


Posted on Aug 8, 2012 12:26:28 PM PDT
Wow, what a great group we have here. I just found this forum and I was surprised to find the topic was right on target with a new novel a just published for Kindle called 'Bencodi'. By having a brilliant young college grad develop new materials and get past Einsteins theory of space travel we find a new way to colonize space. Since the main character happens to be American and does put a space resort in orbit above the Earth the Chinese become furious. It's a good thing they don't know about his secret mining operation on the moon. Lol.

Posted on Aug 19, 2012 1:31:46 PM PDT


In reply to an earlier post on Aug 19, 2012 1:50:39 PM PDT
Lj3d says:
Good link but I don't think we have enough data to know for sure whether these five candidates are really habitable, at least for humans. The press likes to jump on any discovery of a planet in the so called goldilocks zone as though that would be all that's required to make a planet habitable.

Then there is the problem of this world being in dispute as to its existence.

Gliese 581g shown here in artists concept which itself is misleading. We cannot image planets this good. Gliese 581g orbits its parent star in just a month which makes it almost certainly tidally locked. Of course life cannot be ruled out either just as life on Mars or Europa cannot be ruled out. But could Gliese 581g support human life?

Ditto for Gliese 667Cc.

Kepler 22b orbits a sunlike star but the orbital parameters were not listed on this site. So I checked wiki and found this planet does orbit its host star within the habitable zone. Considering the difficulties of determining whether life exists on exoplanets, this one seems a good candidate to start investigating which I'm sure has already gotten underway.

HD 85512b apparently lies at the edge of its habitability zone but certainly has good temperatures. However, we don't know what its atmosphere is composed of. Nor do we really have a good handle on any of the atmospheres of these worlds.

Gliese 581d at an estimated 7 times earth mass, may support life but again...human life?

The overall upside is that we now have more than just our four rocky terrestrial planets to go by. I suspect microbiological lifeforms could exist on any or even all these candidates. Not so sure about advanced life mainly due to lack of more precise data.

Posted on Aug 20, 2012 10:02:40 AM PDT
Lj3d -

I always thought the search for "habitable planets" was more about finding potential Earth outposts or colonies, than just someplace to eventually explore since they might harbor intelligent life.

Posted on Aug 20, 2012 3:03:17 PM PDT
C. J. Hall says:
Someone spotted some "matter unorganized" and gave instructions to another to organize it into a world. I think that is one reason we are here when we are here. Sometime some-one(s) will go from Earth into Outer Space to set up other systems for humans to occupy. Moses 1:39 says, "It is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." Why? To set up/organize more worlds? from matter currently 'unorganized'? for the perpetuation of the race? to provide more testing grounds for His children? Makes sense to me.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2012 4:55:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 20, 2012 4:56:23 PM PDT
Lj3d says:
The search for habitable planets is basically the search for life, and eventual study to the extent possible. The problem is that we won't really be able to confirm life on any of these worlds without sending a probe or human expedition. Identifying chemical elements in a spectrum alone will not be enough to confirm life on an exoplanet. There is no official agenda for searching these worlds out for outposts or colonization. We cannot even do interstellar travel yet, let alone colonize worlds that are light years distant.
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