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Initial post: May 8, 2008 7:03:10 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 7:46:35 AM PDT
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tom kriske says:
john, what can you tell me about this templeton foundation? in the physics community there seems to be some measure of suspicion regarding their true motives...they ask 'does science render god obsolete' as one of their marketing slogans -- and they fund heavily in the sciences, but they also seem to have a religious bent - do you find them above board, or sleazy?

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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 8:02:21 AM PDT
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mostserene1 says:
John, thanks, although I had to take a shower after visiting the Uncommon Descent site to wash off the creationist slime.

Dumski is sounding very much like our beer-swilling Hillary, decrying rich elitists to appeal to the uneducated working classes while raking in big bucks.

These atavists are dangerous as they can whip up hysteria among their target audience. The educated are under constant attack from all sides. Be afraid.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 11:22:17 AM PDT
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Carl Flygare says:
John,

Given that Dembski's career, cause, and credibility (such as it is) have spectacularly imploded, all he has left are rants, raves, and residual royalties - undoubtedly decreasing.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 2:55:50 PM PDT
Nothing like invoking class envy to sway the gullible to creationism, including intelligent design claptrap.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2008 9:31:34 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2008 4:35:43 PM PDT
John Kwok,

That ain't working... that's the way you do it. You put old Ben Stein on the Fox TV. Nah, that ain't working - that's the way you do it . You get your money for nothing like those books from Behe!

have a superior weekend, my friend
Steve

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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 8:27:28 AM PDT
Mary Endress says:
JK: "P. S. I have heard from a reliable source that Bill still insists on a $5,000 speaking fee."

Yeah, but can he sleep at night?

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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 9:05:02 AM PDT
Hi John,
Re; Barbara Forest's Book "Creationisms Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design" Look forward to your review...

If there are any sincere "fence-sitters" on the creation/evolution debate out there (and,sometimes, I have my doubts) then reading Donald Prothero's "Evolution-What The Fossils Say and Why It Matters" is essential for learning the facts from science, while Barbara Forest's book is equally essential for understanding the social and political facts (and tactics) concerning the ID movement.
Regards
Steve

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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 9:48:10 AM PDT
Mary Endress says:
Steve: "Re; Barbara Forest's Book "Creationisms Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design" Look forward to your review..."
"If there are any sincere "fence-sitters" on the creation/evolution debate out there (and,sometimes, I have my doubts) then reading Donald Prothero's "Evolution-What The Fossils Say and Why It Matters" is essential for learning the facts from science, while Barbara Forest's book is equally essential for understanding the social and political facts (and tactics) concerning the ID movement."

Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design is a very good book and I would especially recommend it for all those who pooh pooh ID as a fringe movement. Though the moronic bleating sheep may seem too IDiotic to be of any threat, the lying scum bags at the top should not be underestimated in their ability to control the sheep and mobilize them to untoward actions. I can't imagine how somebody like Behe can sleep at night. But, of course, he's sold his soul to the Devil long ago - when he willfully starting the lying and duping and bilking the sheep. Guys like that turn my stomach. About the only thing I can think of that's sleazier than that lying lounge lizard Behe, is Ham, as he specifically aims his bs at the kiddies. It's like the pusher hanging around outside the grade school with his crack. And those lying Schweinehunde have the unparalleled audacity to call themselves good Christians. They sully and debase the name.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 9:49:45 AM PDT
I KNEW I should have gotten a degree in biology!

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 12:33:48 PM PDT
Mary -
More Jail Time for Creationists

By now, probably everyone here knows that one of the leading proponents of young earth creationism in the USA, Kent Hovind (aka Dr. Dino) is spending a little time in jail for income tax evasion.
Now it turns out that another creationist, author Adnan Oktar who writes under the pen name of Harun Yahya, has just been sentenced to three years in a Turkish prison for creating an illegal organization for personal gain, state-run Anatolian news agency said.
A spokeswoman for Harun Yahya confirmed to Reuters that Oktar had been sentenced, but claimed the judge was influenced by political and religious pressure groups. The verdict and sentence came after an initial trial that began in 2000 after Oktar, along with 50 members of his foundation, was arrested back in 1999.
Oktar, born in 1956, is the driving force behind a richly funded organization, based in Turkey, that champions creationism - the belief that God literally created the world in six days as told in the Bible and the Koran. Oktar's Islamic teachings echo those of Christian fundamentalists in the United States and he has publicly denounced "Darwinism" in high-profile attacks. The Harun Yahya movement, has set up numerous websites, published over 200 books and created a great deal of controversy in the past few years by sending out thousands of unsolicited texts advocating fundamentalist Islamic creationism to schools in many European countries.

How long before some bigshot at the DI gets busted for financial shenanigans? We can only hope.

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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 1:29:21 PM PDT
RR says:
John,
"If you are interested in knowing what my "pal" Bill Dembski is teaching,"

You mean "preaching", I believe...

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2008 1:44:54 PM PDT
Mary Endress says:
Steve: "More Jail Time for Creationists"

Love those sincere Christian values! There's long tradition of spritual (HA!) leaders fleecing their flock. With time it's probably nearly impossible not to succumb to the temptation, when the sheep are so woefully and willfully ignorant. The Harun Yahya Movement sounds like the yin to the fundi Christian movement of the U.S.'s yang. I see no significant difference between the two. Both want regression and unquestioning allegiance.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 3:49:49 AM PDT
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dvimus says:
Dear John

It certainly goes to show the deceit business is a full-time occupation and that it is a highly networked operation. What makes it particular dispictable is that those who do posses some intellectual ability and awareness have been indocrinated for years to the extent that they have become willing pawns in the indocrination process incapable of seeing how they are being used by mendacious perverts like Dembski. Of course there are those who will 'stand out academically', so-to-speak, and it will be these few who will form the next generation of Behe's and Dembski's, yet it requires a small army underneath ready and willing to do their masters' biddings.

I have reproduced a few of the questions from the final exam that concludes Dembski's course in intellectual perversion for those who do not have the immediate time to hand to view them. They highlight just how twisted this course is and demonstrates the degree to which the candidates are encouraged to close their minds and engage in Dark Age thinking and methodology.

2. How would you argue that a male savior can save women with a feminist theologian?
3. Explain how the Vincentian Canon applies today.
5. Sketch the strongest argument you can for atheism. [max. 300 words]
6. What is the difference between a negative and a positive apologetic? In approaching an unbeliever, why might a presuppositionalist prefer a negative over a positive apologetic? Assess the relative merits of these two apologetic approaches. Are they mutually exclusive or mutually reinforcing?
8. What, according to C. S. Lewis, is the cardinal difficulty of naturalism? How does naturalism undermine itself?
10. Imagine you and Peter Fromm are sitting at Starbucks drinking coffee. He's got his Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in hand. His faith has disintegrated. What do you say to him?

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 4:24:35 AM PDT
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J. Hengenius says:
I especially liked the academic honesty clause in Dembski's exam:

"In submitting your exam, you acknowledge, on pain of divine judgment, that it is entirely your own work."

In other words,

'Don't worry about a hearing before the judicial board; may god himself strike you down if you cheat!'

And I'm amused that Dembski once taught a course called "Critical Thinking". I can't think of anybody _less_ qualified to do so.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 10:48:08 AM PDT
Tim Beazley says:
Dembski really put that honesty clause about not plagiarizing on his test?

Hmm. Wasn't Dembski himself recently caught plagiarizing? If I remember correctly, Peter Irons and Abbie Smith reported an incident in which Dembski was caught using a copyrighted video without authorization, and when he was caught he tried to lie his way out of it.

So much for honesty.

P.S. And of course everyone knows about the similar plagiarism problems the movie Expelled had with the same video. Losers.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 11:07:06 AM PDT
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John Kwok says:
Dear dvimus,

Just goes to show you how much Bill is still stuck in Medieval Christian thought. Have an uncle who graduated from the University of Chicago's theological seminary and he served Chicago suburbs for years as a Methodist minister. I strongly suspect that he would reject Bill's "intellectual perversion" of Christianity.

Cheers,

John

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 11:09:31 AM PDT
John Kwok says:
Dear Tim,

Not only that, but he's committed the legal equivalent of "grand theft larceny" against the Dover Area School District board by charging them $20,000 for his "services" as a "defense witness" at the Kitzmiller vs. Dover trial, even though he "skipped town" long before the trial started.

Regards,

John

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 11:33:19 AM PDT
John Kwok says:
Hi Tim, Carl and everyone else,

I recommend e-mailing Bill and ask him to return to the Dover Area School District board the $20,000 he "retained" from them as a "consultant" for the defense. As far as I am concerned, he committed the legal equivalent of "grand theft larceny". I also encourage you to remind him that he owes me a near mint to mint black Leica M7 rangefinder camera and a black 25mm Zeiss ZM lens as compensation for his own abysmal conduct towards me, starting with his crude attempt at censorship last December here at Amazon.com.

Appreciatively yours,

John
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