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Finally evidence for Nibiru, this should quell the crazy talk


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Initial post: Nov 18, 2012 6:20:05 PM PST
barbW says:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/planet-x-odd-orbits-solar-system_n_1537043.html

More work is needed to determine whether Sedna and the other scattered disc objects were sent on their circuitous trips round the sun by a star that passed by long ago, or by an unseen planet that exists in the solar system right now. Finding and observing the orbits of other distant objects similar to Sedna will add more data points to astronomers' computer models. "We, and a couple of other groups of astronomers, are working hard to see if we can track some down and figure out this mystery," Brown said.

Posted on Nov 19, 2012 9:42:57 AM PST
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barbW says:
If these Nibiru-type relationships are very beneficial for the evolution of intelligence since they cause favorably-periodic disruptions of the orbits of comets (a lot of them) and they then rain down toward the Sun, this could be another fact as to why we seem to be alone in the Galaxy, so far.

If we describe our planet as Earth-like because it has nurtured an intelligence like ours, then Earth-like planets have some very stringent requirements. ;)

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 2:59:55 PM PST
On what date will you start a thread admitting it was all a bunch of hooey?

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 5:59:52 PM PST
Oh Marilyn? They're playing your song.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2012 8:29:37 PM PST
barbW says:
it's the best theory, Mark, unless you think there's a much larger undetected planet out there that was once near Sedna. That seems less probable, because of the way they accrete out there, so far from our Sun's nebular material.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2012 4:19:26 PM PST
w413

How come no responsible scientific organization has said Nibiru exists. What date will you start a thread apologizing for spreading this nonsense?

Posted on Nov 25, 2012 5:03:14 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 25, 2012 5:10:06 PM PST
Yog-Sothoth says:
Sedna is tiny - smaller than Pluto.
Sedna is in a highly elliptical, though stable, orbit. Its perihelion (NEAREST approach to the sun) is approximately 75 AU (6.9 BILLION miles) - TWICE the distance of Neptune.

How can the existence of Sedna be any sort of "evidence for Nibiru"? There is absolutely nothing in common with the two.

Sedna exists. Nibiru doesn't, and never really did, as described. (it only DID exist as the Sumerian's name for Jupiter)

Claiming there is "evidence for Nibiru" IS "crazy talk".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 5:21:58 PM PST
Ambulocetus says:
From the Wikipedia entry on Zecharia Sitchin:
"According to Sitchin, Nibiru. . . was the home of a technologically advanced human-like extraterrestrial race called the Anunnaki in Sumerian myth, who Sitchin states are called the Nephilim in Genesis. He wrote that they evolved after Nibiru entered the solar system and first arrived on Earth probably 450,000 years ago, looking for minerals, especially gold, which they found and mined in Africa. Sitchin states that these 'gods' were the rank-and-file workers of the colonial expedition to Earth from planet Nibiru.

"Sitchin wrote that Enki suggested that to relieve the Anunnaki, who had mutinied over their dissatisfaction with their working conditions, that primitive workers (Homo sapiens) be created by genetic engineering as slaves to replace them in the gold mines by crossing extraterrestrial genes with those of Homo erectus."

Monkey plus alien god equals people!!!!

Thank you, werranth, for exposing me to an entirely novel brand of woo. All the old ones had gotten so drab and insipid!

http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/07/periodic-table-of-irrational-nonsense.html

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 8:36:46 PM PST
barbW says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 8:47:34 PM PST
barbW says:
an astronomer is saying that the object kicked Sedna into a much larger orbit and it has also caused a 26-34 million periodicity in the Earth's record of mass extinctions. The numbers work out for elliptical shape of Sedna's new orbit and the 30 million year orbit.

Proxima Centauri is about a trillion miles from Alpha Centauri A aand B?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 8:55:40 PM PST
barbW says:
the number of comets will increase, so we'll get a warning. If the last mass extinction was the Eocene, there's a time range of millions of years.

Would comets fall toward us faster or at about the same speed?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 9:14:17 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 9:37:46 PM PST
Re werranth413, 11-25 8:47 PM: "an astronomer is saying that the object kicked Sedna into a much larger orbit ..." Citation?

"Proxima Centauri is about a trillion miles from Alpha Centauri..." At least. But what has this to do with anything here?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 9:40:30 PM PST
Re werranth413, 11-25 8:55 PM: "the number of comets will increase," Citation?

"Would comets fall toward us faster or at about the same speed?" Speed of what?

This whole business impresses me as arrant nonsense. Unless and until we have orbital parameters for any of this stuff, it will remain nonsense.

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 3:15:25 AM PST
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If I remember correctly, Nibiru is supposed to have a 3,600 year orbit. By Kepler's Third Law, that would place its mean distance from the sun at 235 AUs. It's supposed to be habitable, but its radiative equilibrium temperature at that distance, assuming an Earthlike albedo of 0.3 and a Solar constant of 1362 watts per square meter at Earth's orbit, comes out as 23 K. Nibiru would be frozen solid.

If it has enough greenhouse gases in its atmosphere to allow liquid water, the atmospheric pressure would have to be immense. It would probably be a gas giant like Uranus or Neptune. Again, not habitable.

So people on Nibiru are unlikely.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 5:50:39 AM PST
Ambulocetus says:
Barton,

the awesome power of your nerd-energy has utterly sterilized me. Nicely done!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 6:07:28 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 8:15:19 AM PST
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M. Helsdon says:
"an astronomer is saying that the object kicked Sedna into a much larger orbit and it has also caused a 26-34 million periodicity in the Earth's record of mass extinctions."

The rate of mass extinctions is far lower than that - there have only been five or six major extinction level events, at at least one of those was caused by life itself (the great Oxygen Catastrophe). There have been many smaller extinction events, but the causes seem to be mostly 'local'.

You seem to be confusing a theory of whether extinctions relate to the Solar System bobbing up and down within the galactic disc, which might cause extinctions to variations in the level of cosmic rays with the orbit of a planet far far out in the outer solar system. Even if there were such a planet, its orbit would not be that of the imaginary Nibiru/Planet X because a planet coming through the inner system at regular intervals would severely upset the orbits of the inner planets, and those have been stable for hundreds of millions of years.

Of more interest, is that the Solar System is heading into a denser region of the "Local Fluff", or Local Interstellar Cloud, and the implications for the heliosphere.

"the number of comets will increase, so we'll get a warning. If the last mass extinction was the Eocene, there's a time range of millions of years."

There's very little correlation between asteroid/comet impacts and mass extinctions.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 1:21:01 PM PST
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barbW says:
"Unless and until we have orbital parameters for any of this stuff, it will remain nonsense."

Richard Muller, astronomer, Lawrence Berkeley Natl Lab now has the unusual orbit of Sedna supporting his speculation,
he has the mass required to kick out Sedna and he has the 26-34 million year orbit. He assumes Sedna originated at a distance similar to Pluto's origin - from the Sun. He assumes that the object he calls Nemesis is a black or brown dwarf.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 1:53:31 PM PST
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M. Helsdon says:
"As we reach the top of our 33 million upward journey will we be bombarded by gamma rays from extra-galactic sources?"

That's the idea, but the incidence of extinction level events doesn't conform to this pattern, or to that of the orbit of any speculative outer planet. There is a slight correlation with the motion of the continents, but that's because when there's a period of a single land mass there's mountain building due to the collision, increased volcanism and climatic effects. There isn't any single explanation for mass or lesser extinction events, simply many potential factors.

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 1:55:35 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 26, 2012 1:57:32 PM PST
werranth413 wrote:
"The sun is moving upwards, out of the plane of the Milky Way, at a
speed of 7 km per sec."
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I am not sure where to place my measure tape in order to ascertain your given speed for the sun. Any tape sold by HomeDepot would not stand the 5000 degrees temperature of the sun. For a fellow with motion sickness, up and down are relative to the time of taking medication.

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werranth413 wrote:
"As we reach the top of our 33 million upward journey will we be bombarded by gamma rays from extra-galactic sources? "
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Since you would never know the answer for 33 million years, I would take the chance of answering affirmatively, with absolute certainty.

Do you have any more pressing questions that could wait millions of years to get answered?

No. Thank you.

My pleasure.

Mohamed F. El-Hewie

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 2:04:30 PM PST
barbW says:
Hi Jeff,

It would be a miracle if very old cultures of uninformed primitives could know about the details in these stories. I don't believe in such miracles. I don't believe in god-men or revelatory writings or all-knowing cultures of the past. None of it is real, it's human pattern recognition and emotions. We would have to know so much more about how these stories were elaborated.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 2:11:58 PM PST
barbW says:
I am not sure where to place my measure tape in order to ascertain your given speed for the sun. Any tape sold by HomeDepot would not stand the 5000 degrees temperature of the sun. For a fellow with motion sickness, up and down are relative to the time of taking medication.

We on Earth see Polaris as the upward direction, because it marks the center of circumpolar stars to the north AND because it happens to be located 800 LYs away toward the top of the Orion Spur in which we live.
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werranth413 wrote:
"As we reach the top of our 33 million upward journey will we be bombarded by gamma rays from extra-galactic sources? "
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Since you would never know the answer for 33 million years, I would take the chance of answering affirmatively, with absolute certainty.

Do you have any more pressing questions that could wait millions of years to get answered?

Yes, what will happen in 10,000 googol years when we reach conditions of max entropy?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 2:28:36 PM PST
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