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Posted on Apr 30, 2012 4:35:28 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
update: glaciologists #s 4-6 also agree that, worldwide, glaciation is receeding.

unexpected bonus: i'm taking #5 to see Avengers on Friday night. :D

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:38:24 PM PDT
Two whole mountains?

Did you look at the link about the glaciers in the North Cascades?

No? I didn't think so.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:37:38 PM PDT
I feel so used!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:37:30 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<Arpard....sorry....but this information was just in the news about the two mountains in italy.>>

"Some Skeptics confuse these issues by cherry picking individual glaciers or by ignoring long term trends."

you're hilarious. XD

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:30:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2012 1:37:48 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
yes, here's a Google hit for "glacier growth", and i don't think you're gonna like it:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/himalayan-glaciers-growing.htm

"Although Glaciologists measure year-to-year changes in glacier activity, it is the long term changes which provide the basis for statements such as "Global Glacier Recession Continues". Some Skeptics confuse these issues by cherry picking individual glaciers or by ignoring long term trends."

in summation: you've presented absolutely no support for your position, and in fact the two sources you did give (talk to experts, Google) both debunk your own claim.

so. what's next? :)

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 1:23:07 PM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
Path, if you'd just included the source links to your claim--IceAgeNow, IHateTheMedia, and good ol' Fox Noise--we could've saved a lot of time and dismissed this obvious falsehood outright, instead of taking the time to debunk it by pointing to legitimate news sources.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:14:17 PM PDT
Pathfinder says:
Arpard....sorry....but this information was just in the news about the two mountains in italy. Maybe you need to get your head out of your pants and read the latest measurements. These measurements begin in 2008. I dont care what happenned in 1850. Antarctica had the largest sea ice growth in the years 2006 and 2007. Also it is still experiencing the largest snowfalls ever recorded. The reason why people dont hear about this stuff is because of scintists to like to ignore scientific facts and create their own little world around "JUNK" science. For example: when the temps are only taken at noon everyday they say the temps are rising. However, they throw out every temp that contradicts their theories. Global warming is occurring because they play with the temps. If they told the truth....they would have to admit that their theory is wrong.

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 1:14:01 PM PDT
Since most glaciers are shrinking, not growing, this is pure trolilng and baiting of scientifically aware people. Typical Amazon science forum fodder.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:03:50 PM PDT
Pathfinder says:
I'M sure that some of you people know how to google....oh Im sorry maybe you don't.....
Here's how to do it. On your google bar type in...."glacier growth" and then hit enter. You will have several locations to go to. In case you do not know how to type....there is a keyboard on your computer. Look for the right key and tap them one at a time. If you are still having trouble ask a 6 year old to show you how....

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 11:37:06 AM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
the second sentence here encapsulates this thread in a nutshell:

"Although Glaciologists measure year-to-year changes in glacier activity, it is the long term changes which provide the basis for statements such as "Global Glacier Recession Continues". Some Skeptics confuse these issues by cherry picking individual glaciers or by ignoring long term trends. Diversions such as these do not address the most important question of what is the real state of glaciers globally?

"The answer is not only clear but it is definitive and based on the scientific literature. Globally glaciers are losing ice at an extensive rate (Figure 1). There are still situations in which glaciers gain or lose ice more than typical for one region or another but the long term trends are all the same, and about 90% of glaciers are shrinking worldwide (Figure 2).

"It is also very important to understand that glacier changes are not only dictated by air temperature changes but also by precipitation. Therefore, there are scenarios in which warming can lead to increases in precipitation (and thus glacier ice accumulation) such as displayed in part of southwestern Norway during the 1990s (Nesje et al 2008).

"The bottom line is that glacier variations can be dependent on localized conditions but that these variations are superimposed on a clear and evident long term global reduction in glacier volume which has accelerated rapidly since the 1970s."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/himalayan-glaciers-growing.htm

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 11:31:13 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2012 11:57:49 AM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<If you have a problem with this then you need to talk to a glacier expert and get your facts right.>>

by the way, i JUST did (lots of glaciologists in my town, go figure) and he said you're wrong -- the majority of the world's glaciers are indeed shrinking. :)

ps, i chatted with another glaciologist. she also says you're wrong. should i keep asking experts? :)

pps, found a third glaciologist, who agrees with the first two. heheh.

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 11:20:22 AM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
i live near several glaciers, all of which are receeding. the closest is about a 30 minute hike from my front door.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2033

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 11:16:40 AM PDT
Actually in most areas of the world most glaciers are shrinking. This includes the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, the Alps, and the Andes. In these areas a few glaciers might not be shrinking due to favorable local factors, especially altitude. Thus particularly high mountains like Shasta, Mont Blanc, and Mt. Logan may not be losing glaciation. But most are shrinking.

This website has a long list of shrinking glaciers in the North Cascades, with before and after pictures:

http://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/intro.htm

More on this topic at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 10:58:37 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2012 10:58:56 AM PDT
Jason says:
I'd be more worried if they got it from the UN (any UN committee or source) or, even worse, MSNBC.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 10:13:52 AM PDT
Pathfinder: The Arctic ice has doubled in size since 2008.

'S funny you should say that. Is that from Faux Noos?

Initial post: Apr 30, 2012 9:57:23 AM PDT
Pathfinder says:
I decided to research the glacier growth around the world to see how much they have reduced in size. What I found out seems to end the global warming argument completely. If the glaciers are growing this would then be a stunning blow to the "global warming" theory.
The following glaciers are growing in size: Mt Shasta, Mt Canin, Mt Montasio, Antartica is getting colder...not warmer
The Arctic ice has doubled in size since 2008.
2000 glaciers are growing in size in India...
If you think this is a fluke this is happening all over the world.
If you have a problem with this then you need to talk to a glacier expert and get your facts right.
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