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Initial post: Apr 28, 2012 4:19:00 PM PDT
Unintended consequences is the normal mode for politicians attempts to improve things.

They are also the normal mode for anyone who only cares about making more money than society. Externalities is the term economists use when one entity can make money by pushing the costs of their actions onto others to pay for.

Antibiotics in cattle can grow bigger cows but is making their effectiveness of people less.
Eventually world wide plague could result.

Deficit spending by governments kicks the can down the road but will lead eventually to massive economic collapse and world wide depression.

Franken foods and genetically modified organisms (GMO) makes it easier (cheaper!) for farmers to grow more food. But it turn out that one of the mods is the cause of the kill off in bees that are needed to grow crops. That or similar problem with a new plant disease could lead to world wide famine when all crops fail and there are no other seed types to use.

What else could humans be doing to make more money, or that seems plausible, but in the long run could likely have unintended consequences.

What if several of these happened together.
Could homo stupidis survive at all?

Next thread? Survival techniques.
Check back later.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 7:21:42 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 12:26:28 PM PDT
whomper - "what things can we do to guarantee worldwide disaster"

We don't have to do anything, other than wait. Long-term, there will be disaster. Human-caused, human-exacerbated, both, or neither, but disasters nonetheless. Plagues, climate change, resource depletion, supervolcanoes, meteors, etc. All we can do is try to ascertain what problems we *are* causing or exacerbating, and try to ameliorate the damage we're causing. But right now some people have the strange idea that humans have no impact on their environment--which would actually make us unique among organisms. As long as that convenient denial persists, there's not much we can do.

Posted on May 1, 2012 1:37:38 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:52:44 PM PDT
If the entire amount of radioactivity in all the Fukushima plants were diluted out into the entire volume of the oceans, it would be undetectable.

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Posted on May 1, 2012 2:42:12 PM PDT
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I'm not saying it's a good thing to have a nuclear accident, but I am saying that when people start to catastrophize about radiation leaking into the ocean, they should keep in mind just how vast the ocean is.

The volume of all the world's oceans is about 1.3 billion cubic kilometers. That means if you leaked 1.3 billion Curies of radioactivity into the ocean and it mixed completely, there would be only 1 Curie per cubic kilometer. By comparison, the total atmospheric release of radioactivity from the Chernobyl accident was 140 million Curies. A Curie is the radioactivity of 1 gram of Radium 226.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 7:50:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 1, 2012 7:51:29 PM PDT
cleo:

they can NOT blow up
and the radiation is contained

you need to get on your meds
and actually learn some facts before you spout off again

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 7:50:51 PM PDT
reply to arpard fazakas's post:

it could be detected
but not worth worrying about

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 7:49:15 AM PDT
I would be skeptical one could detect 0.1 curie of radioactivity in 1 cubic kilometer of water.

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reply to arpard fazakas's post:

you can detect down to 0.1 micro sievert or ten micro rems per hour.

no idea what your curie unit equates too but a dosimeter device like worn by workers should be able to detect it given some time to accumulate the effect.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 10:02:52 AM PDT
reply to Cleo's post:

you need another dentist. I hear Japanese dentists are excellent.

better yet
just pull all your teeth now and save some time and money

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 10:15:20 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 10:33:39 AM PDT
Not sure how to make the conversion since curies refers to activity of an isotope or material (1 curie equals 37 billion disintegrations per second) whereas rems and sieverts refer to dose absorbed by the body.

If there were 1 curie in a cubic kilometer of water, this would be 1 billionth of a curie per liter or about 37 disintegrations per second per liter. I guess that would be detectable. I stand corrected.

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Posted on May 2, 2012 10:41:55 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 10:44:33 AM PDT
Actually, it wasn't them, it was (maybe) some of their ancestors, so if we're going to blame people for what their ancestors did, nobody alive today is innocent.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 10:52:55 AM PDT
reply to Mohamed F. El-Hewie's post:

dont know dont care

they use them
it affects humans by making the antibios less effective

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 10:54:00 AM PDT
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reply to cleo post:

then go to britain
their dentists have lots of experience with pulling teeth
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