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In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 10:47:26 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 11:03:13 AM PDT
Omnireader says:
They are not a threesome.

I suggest you become more educated.

You do realize that the US has a Republican Democracy don't you?
Republican in this context means representative. Democracy means that the people vote.

We vote for our representatives. Have you read the US Constitution?
Do you understand it? Do you see that many of the Amendments include Socialist ideas?

Look it up. Your education to date is stunted.

BTW Fascism and Communism are Economic systems.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 11:05:02 AM PDT
Omnireader says:
LB

Thank you for your post. Consider my previous post regarding Economic Systems and Representative governments.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 11:05:57 AM PDT
Omnireader says:
Sigh

Sadly you are confusing terms.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 11:18:42 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 11:19:42 AM PDT
Good grief Omni.

I am well aware that the US was formed as a Republic. I've read the U.S. Constitution many times and have a firm grasp on what is contained within it. No thanks to government education mind you.....they don't teach you that the U.S. is a Republic and have no interest in exposing the limits that document placed on the government.

And the U.S. Constitution is a document focused on empowering the individual for the most part......hardly "socialist."

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 12:57:59 PM PDT
A. Caplan says:
Jason says: I am well aware that the US was formed as a Republic. I've read the U.S. Constitution many times and have a firm grasp on what is contained within it. No thanks to government education mind you.....they don't teach you that the U.S. is a Republic and have no interest in exposing the limits that document placed on the government.
>I don't know where you went to school, but my children and I were taught that in American schools. The classes were called "Civics".

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 1:07:05 PM PDT
"Honest people use their real names and bear the consequences of their words"

Smart people don't set themselves up to be harassed by any loser willing to track you down and do you harm as one could so easily do with all your public information, Mohamed F. El-Hewie.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 1:10:58 PM PDT
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For me, those classes were called US History and American Political Systems (APS).

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 2:05:35 PM PDT
Omnireader says:
A.) Capitalism: An economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism
Capitalism is above loyalty to any country or state.

B.) Fascism: "A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957).

C.) Socialism: "a theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means or production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole" (American College Dictionary).

D.) Totalitarianism: a form of government that theoretically permits no individual freedom and that seeks to subordinate all aspects of the individual's life to the authority of the government.

E.) Republic: Let's go back to the original Roman Republic. It basically was a means by which the rich could maintain their hands on power. There was a loop from Senate to Consul to Senate.
[1.) The Senate was composed of leaders from the patricians, the noble and wealthy families of ancient Rome. They were the law makers. They controlled spending. Members of the Senate were not elected. They served for life once chosen.
2.) Only a member of Senate could be chosen as a Consul.
3.) Under the Republic, two (2) elected consuls shared the head of government.
Consuls were members of the Senate, who had been elected to serve for a one year term in the position of Consul, the highest position in government under the Republic. The consuls most important power was that they controlled the army.
4.)There were 300 seats in the Senate. When a seat opened, a new Senator was selected by the current Consuls.

The Assembly was composed of all the plebeian citizens of Rome, the common man. The Assembly did not have a building. It was the right of the common man to assemble in the Forum and vote. http://rome.mrdonn.org/senate.html

The Republic was subverted by bribes and the rise of the dictatorial Caesars.

F.) Democracy: Let's go back to the original Greek Democracy of Athens.
Over 2400 years ago, the famous Greek general, Pericles, said, "It is true that we (Athenians) are called a democracy, for the administration is in the hands of the many and not the few, with equal justice to all alike in their private disputes."

1.) Democracy was only in Athens, and only for about 200 years, "rule by many" meant that all citizens had to be willing to take an active part in government. That was the law.

2.) Each year, 500 names were drawn from all the citizens of Athens. It was a lottery of all citizens of Athens. Those 500 citizens had to serve for one year as the law makers of ancient Athens.

3.) After a law was proposed by the body of 500, then it went to a vote of all citizens.

3.) All citizens of Athens were required to vote on any new law that this body of 500 citizens created.

One man, one vote, majority ruled. Women, children, and slaves were not citizens, and thus could not vote.

G.) The difference between Socialism and Communism
1.) While both terms basically mean that property and the means of production are being shared for the good of the people, socialism is much more loosely defined and, as such, encompasses communism.

2.)The spectrum of socialism is pretty wide, from social democracies like Sweden to societies where the state assumes responsibility for all economic planning, like the Soviet Union back when it was the Soviet Union. The idea, put simply, is cooperation instead of competition.

3.) The difference is in how the democratic socialism works.
In the old Communism of the USSR there were elections, but with candidates selected by the Party (Like the Republic of Rome).
In modern Socialistic states the elections are held with many parties and many choices.

4.) History: More specifically, communism has evolved from the Greeks (Plato advocated a world of communal bliss and harmony without private property) to Sir Thomas More's Utopia to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's Communist Manifesto to Vladimir Lenin's Russian revolution. While there are quite a few social democracies extant today, communist strongholds are few and far between.

Oddly enough, Adam Smith's bible of capitalism, Wealth of Nations-often quoted with authority by proponents of small government-actually advocates a somewhat socialist brand of democracy.
Smith, who famously coined the term "invisible hand" to describe the way in which looking out for number one magically equates to looking out for the whole community, also recognized that increased wealth alone would not make for healthy communities.

CONCLUSIONS:

You can have a Socialist State that values Capitalism, but understands that there needs to be regulation of the power held in hands that have no loyalty to the State or government.

You can have a Republican form of government that is controlled by a few rich people.
It is easy to slip over into Totalitarianism.

Right now, we have an interesting choice between the two in the US.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 2:07:32 PM PDT
Omnireader says:
Sigh.

I really, really hate what home schooling does to kids.

Hopefully if you go on to college (or high school) you will have an opportunity to gain more knowledge.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 2:09:14 PM PDT
Omnireader says:
Actually, I think you are very wrong. Mohamed was trusting.

Yes, in this debased world that is not valued.

Posted on May 15, 2012 3:24:21 PM PDT
From 5 Facts that put America to Shame.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" These words, from poet Emma Lazarus, were inscribed on the Statue of Liberty over 100 years ago. Today the golden door has a lock on it, paid for with record profits from the health care, education, and financial industries.

1. We're near the bottom of the developed world in children's health and safety

According to a 2007 UNICEF report, the U.S. ranked last among 21 OECD nations in an assessment of child health and safety. The assessment measured infant mortality, immunization, and death from accidents and injuries.

A related 2009 OECD study generally agreed, placing the U.S. 24th out of 30 OECD countries for children's health and safety. It also showed the devastating effects of inequality in our country. Despite having the second-highest average income for children among the 30 OECD countries, the U.S. ranked 27th out of 30 for child poverty (percentage of children living in households that are below 50% of the median income).

2. We've betrayed the young people who were advised to stay in school

Over 40% of recent college graduates are living with their parents, dealing with government loans that average $27,200. The unemployment rate for young people is about 50%. More than 350,000 Americans with advanced degrees applied for food stamps in 2010.

As Washington lobbyists endeavor to kill a proposed bill to reduce the interest rates on student debt, federal loans remain readily available, and so colleges go right on increasing their tuition.

Meanwhile, corporations hold $2 trillion in cash while looking for investments and employees in foreign countries, and American students are forced to accept menial positions. Yet delusions persist about our new generation of would-be workers. Conservatives are all bubbly about today's young entrepreneurs creating their own jobs -- jobs that "don't yet exist."

3. The main source of middle-class wealth has been largely wiped out

American homeowners owe almost as much as the students, with $700 billion of debt over and above the value of their homes.

This removes the only source of wealth for middle America, especially for blacks and Hispanics. Remarkably, for every dollar of NON-HOME wealth owned by white families, people of color have only one cent.

So when minority families were specifically targeted for high-risk, subprime loans that could be re-packaged and sold for a quick short-term profit, most of their assets were erased. Median wealth fell 66% for Hispanic households and 53% for black households. For whites the decline was 16%.

With a disturbing note of irony, Sanford Weill, the banker largely responsible for the reversal of the mortgage-protecting Glass-Steagall Act, was elected to the American Academy of Arts & Sciences for "extraordinary accomplishment and a call to serve."

4. We give prison sentences for smoking marijuana, but not for billion-dollar fraud

About half of our world-leading prison population is in jail for non-violent drug offenses. Americans have also been arrested for handing out free food in a park. Mothers in Ohio and Connecticut were jailed for enrolling their kids in out-of-district schools. As of 2003 in California there were 344 individuals serving sentences of 25 years or more for shoplifting as a third offense, in many cases after two non-violent offenses.

How does the market deal with this steady tide of petty crime? It strives for more. The new trend of private prisons is dependent on maintaining a sizable prison population to guarantee profits, with no incentive for rehabilitation.

As the number of inmates has surged, the people who devastated countless American lives "get out of jail free." The savings and loan fraud cost the nation between $300 billion and $500 billion, about 100 times more than the total cost of burglaries in 2010. The financial system bailout has already cost the country $3 trillion. Goldman Sachs packaged bad debt, sold it under a different name, persuaded ratings services to label it AAA, and then bet against their own financial creation by selling it short. Other firms accused of fraud and insider trading were Morgan Stanley, Bear Stearns, Bank of America, Countrywide Financial, and Wells Fargo. The New York Times reported in 2008 that the Justice Department had postponed the bribery or fraud prosecutions of over 50 corporations, choosing instead to enter into agreements involving fines and 'monitoring' periods.

5. You can have health care, if you pay for it

A recent Commonwealth Fund study compared U.S. health care spending to 12 other OECD countries. The data shows that reducing our costs to the median level of spending among the OECD countries would save us $1.5 trillion a year, more than our entire deficit.

Unfortunately, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and hospital administrators won't hear of it. There's too much money to be made. Bypass surgery in the U.S. costs 2 to 3 times more than in Great Britain, Canada, France, and Germany. Cataract surgery costs 4 times more.

That's if you can pay for it. There are currently about 50 million uninsured Americans. At the other extreme are $2,400 oxymoronic penthouse hospital suites complete with butler and grand piano. Or, for those who don't get out much, emergency rooms in the home, with private cell-phone access to "concierge doctors."

Inequality in our country is so severe that 120,000 health care workers could have been hired with the salary paid to one man. That's a $40,000 salary for 40 health care workers for every one of the 3,000 counties in the United States. Instead, $5 billion dollars went to one man who reportedly made his first big haul ($4 billion, in 2007) by conspiring with Goldman Sachs in the above-mentioned short sale subterfuge.

The result of ignoring the health needs of the greater population, according to a report in the Annual Review of Public Health, is that "the health rankings of the United States have declined substantially when compared with other nations."

Conclusion

Privatization simply hasn't worked for health care, mortgage banking, higher education, or prison management. There is little incentive for profit motivated firms to invest in disadvantaged or underemployed Americans. That's why taxes are necessary -- to provide for the common good, and to return some of the gains from 60 years of productivity to the great majority of Americans who contributed to our growth. Unfortunately, the golden door on the Statue of Liberty seems to have an invisible hand holding it shut."

Regards

John

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 3:36:52 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 3:52:58 PM PDT
Jason says:
Somebody asked why US schools are so bad......the answer is simple........the US schools continue to get worse and worse because the federal government has become more and more involved in them.

jb:
Jeebuz Jason,
You (and sadly your ...er... "differently-educated" citizen majority) have not only swallowed the blatantly propagandised part line (i.e. outright untruth, without even a hint of truthiness), lures, hooks, sinkers and all, you have the rod through your gullet and are choking on the reel.

Privatisation of public institutions promotes profiteering at the expense of quality.

It was always thus.

071V8

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 4:04:06 PM PDT
Omni,

I attended a public high school and graduated.

I have also graduated from a University (US public).

We were taught "civics" in the 9th grade......freshman year of high school. It was a joke of a class. My point was that a real teaching of the Constitution was not really included in that class. Also, that class repeatedly referred to our government as a democracy (which was not what our Republic is supposed to be).

Also, the best education is found outside the classroom. Just my opinion of course.....

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 4:06:27 PM PDT
Righty Leftkowicz says:
Smart people don't set themselves up to be harassed by any loser willing to track you down and do you harm as one could so easily do with all your public information, Mohamed F. El-Hewie.

G'day Starboardside Portsmith,

Whilst it be true that me and Moh have engaged in vigorous intercourse, each defending or attacking as the opportunity arose, I can only agree with him here, as well as hope there is some truth left in his proclaimation.

Otherwise paranoia is assured as the default mode of human interface in all media.

Oh, wait, we have that already.

There's the siren: Time to feed the Avatars.

071V8

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 4:06:42 PM PDT
Errrr.....ok.

Whatever you say Jody.

Do you attend a public school in the United States of America? Have you ever attended a public school in the United States of America?

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 4:10:10 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 4:12:19 PM PDT
Righty Leftkowicz wrote:
"Smart people don't set themselves up to be harassed by any loser willing to track you down and do you harm as one could so easily do with all your public information, Mohamed F. El-Hewie. "
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That is delusional and mediocre.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 4:14:22 PM PDT
Lana,

Are you a U.S. citizen? Born and raised in the U.S.A.?

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In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 5:07:20 PM PDT
Omnireader says:
JDC

You keep saying 'our' and we.
You are an Aussie living in Germany, so how does that make you an American?

The US has had taxation and other forms of governmental revenue and controls since we became a country back in 1787.

Americans are known and have been known to value education and the protection of the needy since then as well.

I don't know why you insist on some weird fantasy that the poem on the base of the Statue of Liberty (a late addition to America) somehow defines us.

You know the UK you don't know the USA. Admit and move along.

My European ancestors have been here since the early 1700s. The American Indian branches of my family met them when they showed up.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 5:10:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 6:06:48 PM PDT
Omnireader says:
From what you post your education is still stunted.

You post as if you have no educated conception of what you are trying to talk about.

Why is that?

What was your major in university?
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