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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 11:06:32 PM PDT
Doctor Who says:
And the commies were taking over and the fascists where taking over. This one never gets old. The right wing seems to require someone about to destroy the American (or other nationality) identity.

Every reputable source says that this was a case of hearsay. Basically there was no case either way since the video was not admissible as evidence. The judge didn't really have much choice. The law does not exist to punish everyone who might have committed a crime and the public thinks did. You cannot judge this without all the facts. I just don't see their being a case here either way.

This is like a case of racial profiling. A white police officer catch a black gang banger for something minor that never gets charged due to a lack of evidence, but drugs were discovered during the search. The public calls the officer a racist and all kinds of nasty things when in actual fact the officer was doing an absolutely great job and never did anything because the guy was black. He just acted from experience to on something suspicious. Without all the facts you can't judge either guy. The officer could be innocent or not. The gang banger could be innocent of the original charges or not. One thing is for sure. You will not get good, complete information from Fox or blogs.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 12:09:27 AM PDT
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TN says:
<<You will not get good, complete information from Fox or blogs. >>

I don't watch commercial TV. My main source of news is Google News, which means all sources of digital news.

And I've been accused or categorized as both left and right. I guess that happens to all neutral people. It's easier to classify people than to be unbiased.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 12:21:45 AM PDT
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Doctor Who says:
Fox has online news as well. They tend to be short articles that attack something without providing any substance, such as this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/24/pennsylvania-judge-reportedly-dismisses-harassment-charge-against-zombie/

"I guess that's happens to all neutral people. It's easier to classify people than to be unbiased."

I never meant accused you of holding right wing views. My intention was simply to point out that the right wing political tactic has been to yell about something "about to destroy ________" for almost a century. So far they have never been right and their pursuit of the "evil" has generally done more harm than good. Just look at Sen. Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin. It took the supreme court to hand down what was a very unpopular decision to stop the witch hunts.

It really feels like you are doing the same thing here. You are pointing to untrustworthy sources to prove the judge is Muslim and therefore evil. There is a striking parallel here. To paraphrase Captain Picard (TNG "Drumhead") "No charges have been brought, much less proven yet you have already condemned him."

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 12:51:10 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 4:21:49 AM PDT
TN,

At least two logical fallacies in your post:

(1): "... if no white revolt takes place."

That is clear racism. "White," as a proxy for euro-christians, in opposition to those nasty brown folks who follow Mohammed.

(2): "Some people just have to learn the hard way."

Implied threat. Has it occurred to you that the majority of Muslims are secular muslims just as most of us are secular christians? Has it occurred to you that Islam, as a Mosaic religion, has most of the same values that we do? Probably not, since you seem panicked by "the threat of Sharia Law." Sorry to hear you believe such twaddle.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 4:24:45 AM PDT
TN,

Google News means "those who pay Google the most for representation." Google is NOT an unbiased or representative news provider, and they have the pro-business bias of every other medium.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 4:29:38 AM PDT
TN,

I'll be that your not equally upset about the "evangelicalization" of Africa? You do know, don't you that, christian evangelicals are overrunning Africa and advocating all kinds of untraditional and hateful attitudes there? Or is that an irrelevant concern because (a) they're christian and (b) the victims are dark-skinned?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 7:23:40 AM PDT
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TN says:
I know that you don't know much about Islam, and religions in general. I'm basically atheist but am an expert in religions, a theologian. I'm also critical of Christendom from a theological POV.

But I read so many news about Islamist terrors, with body counts, than about Buddhists terrorism. Feel free to show me those news are fake, and there's a conspiracy of all world media to make Islamists look bad, i.e. media are essentially liars, and videos are all fake.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 3:07:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 5, 2012 3:07:44 PM PDT
TN,

The media needn't be liars. There needn't be a worldwide conspiracy. You hit it with, "... I read so many news about Islamist terrors, with body counts..." You fail to notice that these items make news because they are rare AND because they involve violence. The millions of Muslims who go about their daily lives, caring for family, engaged with employers, watching soccer, seeking spouses, etc. never make the news -- except as occasional victims of the radical, or warrior, few.

The media aren't lying; they're only telling (selling) what will garner an audience from whom to make money. It's up to the viewer to learn the rest of the story.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 1:55:25 AM PDT
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TN says:
There are very few news about Buddhist terrorists because there are simply very few of them if any, for good reasons.

It's your choice to make out news about Muslim terrorists. For a real-life experiment, send your wife and/or daughter to an Islamic country - any Islamic country - so that all of you will learn a few things about reality of Islam.

And it doesn't hurt to read surah 9 of the Koran. That might open your eyes a wee bit.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 2:59:50 AM PDT
TN,

Once again: most "Muslims" are cultural, or secular, Muslims, Muslims because they happen to live in an area dominated by the Muslim religion. Just as most christians are "cultural christians" and not bible-thumping, true-believing, evangelical, abortion-clinic bombers.

If you believe otherwise, I'll guess that your "expertise" in theology is the result of a casual hobby, not one of detailed academic study.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:52:22 AM PDT
TN says:
Do you know that only 4% of the Koran are good verses. 52% are about dealing nastily with infidels, etc...

I have hundreds of verses of the Koran, many more of the bible, some of other religious books, memorized. Et tu?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:40:21 AM PDT
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TN,

I've read the buybull, the Koran, Buddhist texts, and some Hindu works. Have you read any of textual criticism of the buybull? How much of the archeology have you seriously studied?

Oh! I've also read the Enuma Elish and a few Norse Sagas. Just for fun I once read the Necronomicon and some of the works of Alestaire Crowley.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 9:01:33 AM PDT
Marvin says:
Your post doesn't contain references. It looks like a piece of fiction intended to inflame opinion against religion in general and Muslims in particular.

Incidentally, yesterday there was a terrorist act at a local christian church. A couple of self proclaimed athiests ran into the church trying to clear their community of the "superstitious right". They shot 6 people before they could be subdued. Three of them were children who died on the spot.

So who is suppressing freedom exactly?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 9:33:03 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
Link, please?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 7:58:16 PM PDT
Bubba says:
The Wing Nut Daily sees Muslims behind every bush.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2012 2:25:42 AM PDT
TN says:
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Posted on Jul 7, 2012 1:58:15 PM PDT
TN says:
British diplomat's wife 'suffers third degree burns after extremist hurled boiling water over her for dining with Arab men'

Dianne Wilton was dining with friends and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family when she was attacked
Her husband Christopher is the former British ambassador to Kuwait
He reveals his wife has been left 'traumatised'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2138368/Wife-British-diplomat-left-burns-boiling-water-thrown-suspected-Islamist-attack.html#ixzz1zyKEPXyc

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 4:14:39 AM PDT
Yog-Sothoth says:
BC: "If Fox News, a private corporation, chooses to broadcast her ravings, then yes, she has a right to spew hateful and ignorant nonsense."

NO WAY is Fox news going to have Rachel Maddow on...!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 4:19:05 AM PDT
Yog-Sothoth says:
BC: "Or ask a Republican if they find any mention of legitimate science offensive."

Never found a one...in fact of the several scientists I am personally familiar with, most of them are Republicans. Most of the parents I am personally aquainted with who are sending their kids to college pursuing scientific degrees are Republicans.

I do know some fundamental bible thumpers who do think science is "of the Devil", and they're ALL Democrats. Yeah, they're my wife's family, I know....

Posted on Jul 9, 2012 4:26:11 AM PDT
Yog-Sothoth says:
"Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation." - Voltaire

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 4:32:18 AM PDT
Yog-Sothoth says:
CFM: "Just for fun I once read the Necronomicon..."

A book not in existence until published (as a hoax) in the 1970's. Great way to build up your credibility in having "knowledge of religions".

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 3:12:54 PM PDT
Harry

Why do you consider it a problem to dis religion? Religionists seem to have no problem doing that, and worse, to someone not of their beliefs.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 3:18:49 PM PDT
Harry

First Amendment rights apply to EVERYTHING. It is interesting that you have no problem intimidating those who have different beliefs. So actually, you believe that Neo-Nazis should be allowed to march through Jewish neighborhoods to intimidate the locals.
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