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Do Conservatives Really Hate Science?


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 12:04:10 PM PDT
Sorry, I don't share your bias against Islam, or your insistence on defining all Islam as the versions practiced by its fanatics and extremists.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 12:41:36 PM PDT
One issue that I think contributes to the liberal bias in academia is that academic research is basically socialized research. We write grants to get money, mostly from the fed, to do our research. This seems to me to be unappealing to conservatives.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 1:00:36 PM PDT
Conservatives have their own clubs, societies, and organizations.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 6:35:50 AM PDT
Sure. But my point is that the federal granting system is inconsistent with conservative philosophy. This I think contributes to the fact that there are fewer conservatives in research positions at major universities.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 9:18:21 AM PDT
Why would a researcher's political viewpoint necessarily conflict with his scientific proposals?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 9:29:46 AM PDT
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It think you miss understand my point. It's not about their science. It's about where the money comes from.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 9:37:36 AM PDT
Why would they have trouble getting funded if the proposal was scientifically valid and important?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 9:46:24 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Not a personal friend of mine. But if he drops in here. I'm sure he'll be okay with it. ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 10:57:16 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2012 11:06:35 AM PDT
Still missing my point. Applying for government grants payed for by taxes is not consistent with a conservative philosophy. I am not saying that conservatives can't get grants, I am saying they tend not to pursue carriers that are funded by taxes. They are generally more interested in free market jobs.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 12:34:55 PM PDT
Bubba says:
Well, Behe has his tenure at a college ...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 12:44:43 PM PDT
Bubba says:
T. R. Temple says: "Muslims are authorized to lie by their religion. It is called "taqqiya."

Christians have the same thing, English speaking xtians call it "Lying For Jesus".

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 1:46:15 PM PDT
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T. R. Temple says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 1:48:48 PM PDT
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T. R. Temple says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 3:51:07 PM PDT
@Eric M O'Neill

OK, so by your logic Edward Teller, the father of the H-bomb, wasn't a conservative because he took money from government. Hmmm. Teller not conservative? You're punking me.

The difference between government & private money is a lot more like the difference between science & engineering, rather than being liberal vs conservative. Engineers can work in private industry to develop products that can be foreseen to be very useful in the relatively near future. Basic science may not have an obvious immediate payoff, so governments may have to be the main sources of funding.

Yet advances in basic science can have the largest payoffs over the long term. There is no reason why basic scientists can't also be conservative - or engineers liberal, for that matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 4:53:14 PM PDT
"Since there are a lot of people in the science field, they can drop the ones who have the wrong world view. "

How and when exactly do they do that?

Do they not give them undergraduate degrees?

Or perhaps they don't admit them to graduate school?

Or, when in graduate school, perhaps they find a way to deny them the PhD.

Or, maybe they can't get postdoctoral fellowships.

Yet again, maybe once they have a job, they are denied tenure.

Or, maybe finally, once they have tenure, they are denied access to Full Professorship, so leave in disgust.

I would be interested in hearing your opinion about which stage(s) liberals manage to exclude conservative colleagues from the profession.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 5:26:10 PM PDT
Bubba says:
Thank you for your concern, but it is not appreciated.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 6:06:08 PM PDT
T. R. Temple says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 6:13:10 PM PDT
Ken Miller is a Christian in my own department. No problem there, it would seem.

"Being Marxists, they had no esteem for truth." What does "marxist" mean-- someone who supports Obamacare?

"I have been fired from jobs on trumped up charges that were false. The real reason was that I was a Christian. I told that to a witch one time and he agreed that he had seen that done to Christians. "

Heresay and paranoia are fine evidence

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 6:13:51 PM PDT
T. R. Temple says:
Bubba says, "Thank you for your concern, but it is not appreciated."
I understand very well. Before I was a Christian, when a Jesus freak told me that, I said under my breath, "Yeah, go stand on your head in the corner on my behalf for all the good it will do you." As a Christian, I just say, remember this moment.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 6:39:26 PM PDT
T. R. Temple says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 7:18:51 PM PDT
"In the UK version of Obamacare they estimate 150,000 of the elderly 'worthless' have been killed so far."

Hmm, as a Brit I declare this stuff and nonsense of the highest order.

In the words of Russell Brand:

'Talking about the difference between Britain and the US, Brand said: "Instead of truck, we say lorry, instead of elevator we say lift, and instead of letting people die in the street we have free healthcare." '

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 7:24:49 PM PDT
Doctor Who says:
Would you care to guess how many die in the United States because they cannot afford insurance or because they have a preexisting condition that prevents them from being covered without the new law?

"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 7:28:36 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2012 7:32:04 PM PDT
"There is no reason why basic scientists can't also be conservative - or engineers liberal, for that matter."

I agree. But conservatives tend to not like government funding of basic research. Just my observation. Take it or leave it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 7:33:48 PM PDT
"But conservatives tend to not like government funding of basic research."

Then that's their problem, no?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 7:38:08 PM PDT
What do you mean?
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