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Initial post: Mar 11, 2012 4:35:49 PM PDT
Dr. Chaos says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 6:03:55 PM PDT
ID is not scientifically testable and has no place in science. Period. If he was working as a scientists and promoting ID as a scientific alternative to evolution he should have been fired. It shows that he does not understand what science is.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 6:07:18 PM PDT
Doctor Who says:
Actually it looks like he was just bugging his coworkers with ID and getting into arguments that got him demoted and then laid off. He just wants to complain about it. I agree that a scientist preaching ID deserves to be fired but this is not seem to be the case here.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 6:18:33 PM PDT
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Okay, I just read the report. Looks like you are correct this guy lost his job because he was a bad employee, not because he was promoting ID.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 6:20:36 PM PDT
Deckard says:
Dr. Chaos said:
"If he was, it's unfortunately not surprising. It's unbelievable how fewer and fewer people in general, as well as scientists, do not understand how dissenting views and skepticism are NECESSARY components for the advancement of science."

ID is NOT an advancement of science - it is a return to the Dark Ages.

"Very sad."

What, that JPL wouldn't let an employee harass others with religious proselytizing at work?

Posted on Mar 11, 2012 6:45:01 PM PDT
DonJuan says:
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Posted on Mar 11, 2012 7:16:16 PM PDT
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noman says:
RE: "Dr. Chaos says:
If he was, it's unfortunately not surprising. It's unbelievable how fewer and fewer people in general, as well as scientists, do not understand how dissenting views and skepticism are NECESSARY components for the advancement of science."

**You've never actually been to a science conference, have you? I've seen Nobel laureates "dissenting" in tone and vocabulary that would make a sailor blush. Try reading a few actual scientific journals rather than getting your views of 'science' from the Sunday Supplement or DI. As for the Gov't. firing people over ID...I worked for the Feds for several years and there were YEC working for USGS. I found it *very* strange but they were really nice guys, very helpful to someone just starting with gov't service and became quite good friends. There were, in fact, quite a large number of YEC's working. As well as a few atheists, some agnostics, Mormons, 7th day Adventists and one guy who was Baha. We also had a few gov't conspiracy/coverup types as well. No one gave a <----> about it. As for IT, our SysAdmin was so good we wouldn't have cared if he thought he *was* God. In science (and IT) it's results that count. I realize you are desperately unhappy unless you are being persecuted but, nobody really cares anymore. At least not in this part of the world. However I'm sure there are still plenty of opportunities to be reviled for your religion somewhere on the planet.

Oh, and Ignore. Congratulations on remarkable efficiency. This was such a silly and vapid post I don't have to waste my time on a second.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 7:46:24 PM PDT
Deckard says:
Ralph J. Bellantoni said:
"so, if a scientist expresses an idea heretical to accepted scientific dogma, he (or she) gets excommunicated from the scientific community...'

First of all, he probably got fired for harassing others. Secondly, yes, you do get excommunicated from science when you are just pushing more religious nonsense that is not backed by one iota of evidence.

"something about that scenario sounds strangely familiar."

That would be you - another creo/IDer d0lt.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 8:36:54 PM PDT
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Jeff Marzano says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 10:42:55 PM PDT
noman says:
RE: "Jeff Marzano

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**Because you'd *never* want to read books about Egypt by an actual Egyptologist. Why that would be almost as silly as asking a qualified physician about medical problems. I can't even say "Not even wrong" because that would give too much credit. I need to see if I can't write a macro that will automatically Ignore any reference to pyramid power, self published books by craftsmen who have discovered the secret of the universe, perpetual motion and Jeff Marzano. Oh, wait...Ignore. ~_+

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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 10:46:53 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 11, 2012 11:43:58 PM PDT
Dr. Chaos - " how dissenting views and skepticism are NECESSARY components for the advancement of science"

Would you feel the same way about someone who preferred the demonic possession model of disease over the germ theory? ID isn't science. A gut feeling isn't "dissent."

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 5:27:33 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
More like "if a surgeon keeps raving about ways to drive the evil spirits out of his patients' bodies, a smart hospital fires him."

Babbling about voodoo tends to cast doubt on one's ability to work in a scientific discipline--and rightly so.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 5:37:19 AM PDT
even if he's still an impeccable surgeon? that would be an unwise move on the hospital's part--superior surgeons don't grow on trees.

here's the rub: secularism, with its science and political correctness and academic orthodoxy, has modeled itself into an intractable, monolithic, oppressive regime. in other words, it imitates what it hates--massive religious institutions. the advantage that at least some religious institutions possess is that they've matured past the oppressive stage. secularism still feels the flush of youth, so it behaves with all the dangerous ardor of adolescence.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 7:47:04 AM PDT
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Brian Curtis says:
Or so you claim. Without substantiation.

Which, come to think of it, is the same argument Intelligent Design uses.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 7:59:25 AM PDT
Deckard says:
Ralph J. Bellantoni said:
"here's the rub: secularism, with its science and political correctness and academic orthodoxy, has modeled itself into an intractable, monolithic, oppressive regime. in other words, it imitates what it hates--massive religious institutions."

Baloney. You want to change science's point of view - come up with evidence. It has happened over and over - for example, quantum mechanics and plate tectonics.

You want to have science acept ID? Come up with real evidence, not Wedge Documents.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 8:13:47 AM PDT
ErikR says:
Any evolutionary scientist that claimed that elephants evolved from mice should be fired.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 8:22:26 AM PDT
John McClain says:
"evolution is not testable and is not science
darwin is pure speculation not science and not provable without contradicting other scientific laws"

The fossil record and the DNA of every organism on this planet say otherwise. But don't let facts get in your way.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 8:25:45 AM PDT
noman says:
RE: "RJB says: ...secularism, with its science and political correctness and academic orthodoxy, has modeled itself into an intractable, monolithic, oppressive regime"

**Some very good science has been done and is being done by *scientists* who hold various religious views. It's simply that the *science* is entirely neutral. So you are entirely wrong is trying to show an equivalence between secularism (which is simply a separation of government and religion) as you are with your other points. If you wish to make such a connection you are going to have to provide more than vague unsubstantiated opinion.

Posted on Mar 12, 2012 8:29:52 AM PDT
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Brian Curtis says:
By the way, where did Ralph get the curious notion that secularism is "young" and "new"?

Posted on Mar 12, 2012 9:02:45 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 9:21:20 AM PDT
barbW says:
When some reporter asks Hawking a half-baked question he tries to answer it, on that level. You should give him more credit.
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