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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2009 2:34:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 7, 2009 2:43:10 PM PDT
strange you could not find those japanese authors you mention. i have all the works of both haruki murakami and yukio mishima on my kindle. I also have the complete collections (albeit in Spanish) of cortazar, allende, puig, and garcia marquez.
i downloaded them from other sites, but amazon converted them for free with absolutely no trouble, and they read absolutely normally.

Posted on Jul 7, 2009 3:43:28 PM PDT
GHF -- have you considered contacting the publishers of the books you are interested and requesting that they make a Kindle version available?

Posted on Jul 7, 2009 3:44:46 PM PDT
Also, GHF,

You don't need to buy solely from Amazon. There are other sites out there who do carry the books you are interested in.

Just convert them in a format acceptable to the Kindle (as Sarah Mcarthur suggests).

Posted on Jul 7, 2009 7:27:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 7, 2009 7:39:56 PM PDT
Sarah, where did you find all the works of Mishima in a digital format? I would love to know where (though I hardly consider it "strange" that I don't already know). I can't read Spanish, so the Cortazar and Puig titles still don't help me.

Posted on Jul 7, 2009 11:21:55 PM PDT
There is a service called Mysteria that will notify you by email when Kindle Editions of the books you want become available! You don't even need to manually add them to a list via their website. All you need to do is sign up for mysteria with the same email as your amazon email, and it will check your public wishlist and when a book goes from not having a Kindle Edition to having one, it automatically sends you an email! So now when seeing a book you'd like to read on Amazon, click tell the publisher, add it to your wishlist, and forget about it. Mysteria will let you know when the time comes! I tried this service and I think everyone who has a Kindle should hear of it. Two weeks ater I added a bunch of books to my wishlist, half of them became available for the Kindle--And I had forgotten that I had ever added them. I happily reading Survival of the Sickest only days after the Kindle Edition came out.

Posted on Jul 8, 2009 3:53:51 PM PDT
Man, Every time a new product hits the market the whiners come out. The Kindle store has something like 300,000 books available and you can't find something to read? Geez. I read a lot and recently started looking up books that I have in hard cover and guess what? They had almost everyone of them available in the Kindle store. You seriously can't expect them to have everything. This product has been out for a couple of years with a huge(growing) ammount of content. I'd say they have done a great job so far. The other great thing is they never charged anyone a monthly fee like most things(cell phones, Tivo etc).
What I love about forums is the ammount of bitching that goes on in them. It's amazing. If you hate the Kindle that much, then go to a friggin book store, but just remember they don't carry everything either.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2009 4:25:00 PM PDT
Thank you Michael, Im right with you on your post I have been saying the same thing all along. Certain individuals are doing more complaining when they could be making better use of their time like looking on other sites for books or looking to find other books that may tickle their fancy!!!!

Posted on Jul 8, 2009 8:23:03 PM PDT
Kevin Bryan says:
@Michael Avallone:
I can't believe I'm taking Gale Harold Fan's side here, but...
If you find just about everything you like to read in the Kindle store as of July 8, 2009, I question your reading habits. I found almost NOTHING of what I read on a regular basis. Almost no John Updike, Margaret Atwood, Rex Stout, John Le Carré, Matt Taibbi. Absolutely no Saul Bellow, Robertson Davies, William X. Kienzle, John Gardner. These are not just mainstream authors - some of them (Updike, Bellow) are practically the bedrock of modern English literature. Other authors I don't normally read: Virtually no Thomas Pynchon, and no William Faulkner, J.K. Rowling or John Grisham. NO JOHN GRISHAM? If HE isn't mainstream, who is?

I am a fan of the Kindle, and I admire Amazon's effort in adding more titles. Every time I check in the Kindle store, I see several hundred more titles available. And I knew full well what book titles were available when I bought the device. I know it will be years before I can buy everything I like, and some titles may never come to the Kindle. I disagree with Gale Harold Fan in that I think the blame lies squarely with the authors/publishers to get more titles available. But to say that everything you read is already available for the Kindle? That's downright weird. You should read more.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2009 8:27:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2009 8:30:19 PM PDT
Thank you, Michael, and giddyap. (Every time somebody doesn't entirely agree with me, Karen jumps on his back and tries to ride him like a pony, so I thought I'd try it too; hope I didn't hurt your back.)

Posted on Jul 8, 2009 8:29:03 PM PDT
Aymon Fourier: Thanks. That's interesting.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2009 6:08:07 PM PDT
Oh GHF, you are soooo silly!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2009 6:12:52 PM PDT
HI Kevin, I will agree that I am disappointed John Grisham isn't available on Kindle. Most of the other authors I love reading I have been been lucky enough to find their books. I also agree again, that the blames does fall on the Authors and Publishers. I have also enjoyed finding other things to read and authors that I'm glad I found while patiently waiting for the others to come out. I'm sure they will adventually.

Posted on Jul 9, 2009 6:17:37 PM PDT
Just found this on John Grisham ebooks------

John Grisham is working with Random House to finalize a deal with Amazon that would release all 22 of his titles in e-book format.

According to his literary agent, who apparently didn't tell Grisham's publisher Random House about the plans, the author's 22 novels will be accessible in all e-book varieties, including Amazon's Kindle.

David Gernert, Grisham's agent, told the Wall Street Journal: "There was a period when John and I felt it was a good idea to watch the world of e-books evolve before diving in. Now that it's a more mature marketplace, he will be available very soon in all digital formats."

While there doesn't appear to be many reliable figures on how many e-books are sold every year, the space is considered the fastest growing segment of the publishing world. A rep for Random House told the WSJ that the publisher would be "thrilled" to bring Grisham's works to e-book readers.

Posted on Jul 9, 2009 10:34:23 PM PDT
Tina says:
After ages of longing, I finally gave in and ordered a Kindle (the price drop helped). Of course, I waited until the deal was done to actually start checking out the catalog. I'm really glad to see all of your comments here, and GHF I don't think you're a whiner ;). While my main hesitation was with the costs of the books on top of the cost of the device, I am now feeling a little overwhelmed at the title list...specifically with the "classics." For example, there are like 10 or more Pride and Prejudice listings (and more than one price). Are they not identical? Is there a trick to this?

Posted on Jul 10, 2009 11:13:45 AM PDT
K. Garrison says:
I would just like to say that I am not yet a Kindle owner, and was using this discussion thread as an aid in deciding whether or not to puchase one. I read the entire thread, and as I am primarily a "fluff" reader (I like newer science fiction and fantasy)will most likely go ahead and get one. Though it seems the current available book list will suit most of my wants, it occurs to me that there is absolutely nothing wrong with consumer demand of more and better product. Even if you are mostly happy with your device, could selection not be improved and increased? I know nothing at all of the tech involved or the laws which have to be followed, but calling a fustrated consumer a "whiner" or telling them to be patient is not at all effective or logical. I have often been fustrated when a book I want can't be found in my library or bookstore, and the first thing I do is ask for it. Isn't that the same thing as what GHF is doing? Asking for more and better is probably the only thing that will get it.

Posted on Jul 10, 2009 3:31:53 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 10, 2009 3:32:22 PM PDT
Kevin Bryan says:
@Tina Cooper:
I found the number of versions of classic books confusing as well. In the vast majority of cases, the only difference is the company to which you send your money. :) The book is the same.

The only trick (if you could call it that) with the "classics" is to make sure you pick up the compilation packages whenever possible. For most major out-of-copyright authors, there will be Kindle versions of the author's individual books, and then there is a "Complete works of..." Kindle version as well. For each author, make sure to search and find the "Complete works of..." Kindle version. This version will be only a few dollars more, and will give you more novels than you know what to do with.

Watch out for the following situations
1. Kindle Bundled Novels versions vs. "Complete works of..."
ex. Anthony Trollope
All the Palliser Novels are in one file here for $0.99...
Classic British Fiction: Trollope's Palliser Novels, all six of them in a single file (Samizdat Edition with Active Table of Contents), improved 4/16/2011
But there is also a "Complete works of Anthony Trollope" below for $4.79, which INCLUDES all the Palliser Novels, plus 44+ other works.
Works of Anthony Trollope (50+ works). Includes The Way We Live Now, Barchester Towers, The Warden, The Small House at Allington, Palliser Novels, Chronicles ... An Eye for an Eye and MORE (mobi)
Don't bother getting the Palliser Novels book when you can get the whole kit and caboodle.

2. Competing "Works of..." entries.
ex. Henry James
You can buy the "Works of Henry James" for $4.79, with 12 novels + more here...
Works of Henry James. Including The Portrait of a Lady, The Turn of the Screw, The Ambassadors, The Bostonians, The Europeans, The Wings of the Dove & more (mobi)
Or you can buy "The Essential Henry James Collection" for $4.99 here...
The Essential Henry James Collection (40 works)
"The Essential Henry James Collection" sounds much more limited than the "Works of Henry James" edition, but in fact it is close to a complete collection of the works of Henry James. You'd never know that unless you took a look through both editions.

3. Kindle compilations with no active Table of Contents
ex. John Bunyan
I bought the complete works of John Bunyan here...
The Works of John Bunyan, complete, including 58 books
However, I bought it BEFORE they fixed the table of contents. I thought it wouldn't be a big deal, but I was very, very wrong. DON'T EVER BUY A COMPILATION EDITION WITH NO WORKING TABLE OF CONTENTS. As a result, I got an unwieldy, hulking stack of text that was of no earthly use to anyone. And now that they have updated the table of contents, I thought I could delete my previous copy and get the updated version from my Archived Items folder. WRONG!!! I still got the crappy no table-of-contents version! Time for a call to Amazon...

Again, for out-of-copyright authors, find a "Works of..." Kindle file, double-check the contents against the author's full list of works to make sure it's complete, and then buy it for less than 5 bucks. You won't regret it!

Posted on Jul 10, 2009 4:06:39 PM PDT
Tina: I would advise getting samples of the different "Pride and Prejudice" editions. You might find that one edition has a useful introduction, or a more readable typeface, while another has some bizarre glitch, like substitution of odd typography for what in the original would have been italics.

Kevin: Classics in English are much better represented, being in the public domain. Classics from another language translated into English are a tougher category. Often they're in public domain English translation (which have long been available on that are in a Victorian vernacular, or otherwise dated, or actually bowdlerized. I wouldn't advise reading a 1910 translation of "Nana."

Posted on Jul 11, 2009 2:22:24 PM PDT
Alot of this has to do with the publisher as well. I've written four books - two are on Kindle and two are not. It was strictly the publisher's decision. It's not Amazon; the publisher must choose to be included in the Kindle program.

I also think the price of most 'bestsellers' is too high for kindle books. Either keep the device the same price and lower the book price, or the opposite. (Although I will point out that my two Kindle books are under $5 each, as are all Kindle books from my publisher. You just have to poke around a bit to find the deals.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2009 2:41:35 PM PDT
BruceK says:
This is a very good point ... I think publishers are always strategizing about maximizing profit, not bringing books to the public, or the Kindle.

If I was a publisher I might put one book of a series on the Kindle, and see how it goes. If people want more, you can see the demographics right there, and then you can charge a higher price, if not, you just wait. This really stiffs the consumer who made an investment in the Kindle.

Amazon might have overcome this by subsidizing the Kindle with low prices to gain acceptance in the marketplace and a larger user base, but now, we the users have to pay through the nose for the Kindle, and get rotten service (maybe not all from Amazon) from the industry. This is a problem with capitalism, unless there is a legal mandate that you buy a book and can get it on all the formats, this will go on forever.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2009 5:42:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2009 5:43:52 PM PDT
Tina says:
Thanks Kevin and GHF - that is very useful info that I'm sure will save me much frustration and confusion.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2009 8:56:48 PM PDT
P. M. Malone says:
simple answer, don't buy print from amazon - buy from a competitor (b&n, or borders, etc.) make sure amazon knows that you will not buy print books from them, only kindle. economics 101

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2009 9:08:32 PM PDT
BruceK says:
malone, there is nothing simple about your answer. one person trying to send a message to a corporation is anything but simple, and doesn't ordinarily work. but in economics 101, you're right, everything is simple, simplified, so that none of it really models the real world. not even in upper level economics courses either, ask alan greenspan.

Posted on Jul 11, 2009 10:18:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2009 10:21:26 PM PDT
Alan Greenspan would not be the first economist I'd ask, given his large responsibility for our current crisis. But economics 101 is where the most basic (not simplistic, as you seem to suggest) concepts (like the multiplier effect) are learned. For certain purposes' it can indeed model the real world. Anyway, "the squeaky wheel gets the oil" isn't strictly economics, but it often turns out to be the truth. When nobody tries to influence a corporation, it increases the likelihood that nobody will.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2009 2:04:52 AM PDT
BruceK says:
its not the ideas or concepts that are "bad" - it is the subjective application of them by interested parties, and the ends that they are applied to.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2009 10:47:45 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2009 2:28:50 PM PDT
In economics, aren't our ends generally the enhancement (and enhanced enjoyment) of our ... means? Aren't we all more or less interested parties when it comes to our wealth, purchasing power, and possessions? Anyway, are you saying it's bad to threaten vendors with the withdrawal of one's business if they don't do a better job of satisfying our wants? I do not agree.
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